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    Originally posted by DrParasite
    and buff, please tell me where I insulted the 800,000 volunteer firefighters in the world, cause I just reread what I posted, and can't find it
    I believe it was this line here:

    Originally posted by DrParasite
    a wacker doesn't get paid

    a dedicated employee does
    That could be read to say "volunteer firefighters are wackers" since we don't get paid.

    Truth be told, that's how I took it at first and was a bit offended myself, but after thinking about it, I don't think that's what you really meant to say.
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    To Sum this Thread Up:


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    Hmmmmmm....

    Wacker in POV...

    Or dedicated employee to actualy put up with using such equipment...



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    LOL, I have been looking for a decent excuse to use all of these funny forum pictures I have collected over the years.

    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Although everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you dealt a huge blow to your own credibility with your random thoughts. What you have said indicates you don't deserve a response, but I just have to anyway. I feel sorry for you. You don't know what it takes to make a good, dedicated fire fighter because you are so into status and your overblown pride. That said, I do respect you and all fire fighters for putting it on the line daily. You still are in the job. Just be safe and keep your brothers safe.

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    I feel sorry for you. You don't know what it takes to make a good, dedicated fire fighter because you are so into status and your overblown pride.
    um, yeah, ok, that's what I'm into....
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

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    So, what I really need to do is lighten up, not get so cranked over some obvious facts, and read all the replies to the thread before I reply. I guess if you don't learn something new you are not trying hard enough, right?

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    GTCJIM, you're learning already, maybe if more people learned what you just learned, the forums would be a much happier place.

    welcome to the forums.
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    Let me start off by saying that I'm both career (firefighter) and volunteer (district fire chief). It sounds like a lot of people took Parasite's post in the wrong text.

    I didn't see the post at all as put down on the volunteers - it was a self-analysis of the fire service. From what I read, he was trying to say that a career FF and a volunteer FF can do the exact same thing (and for the most part, they do), but because one recieves a paycheck, and one doesn't, their actions are seen in a completely different light.

    Seen in a different light by whom, you ask? Usually career firefighters, unfortunately.

    I would say that most of us know that NOT all volunteers are wackers, squirrels, woo-woo's, or whatever you call them in your neck of the woods. There are thousands of professional, well-trained, well-equipped volunteer departments out there, with a smattering of guys/gals that are over-the-edge: going to the Fire Expo in Harrisburg, PA wearing your fire pager, even though your from upstate NY, and expect the thing to do off...things like that.

    And I do have a union sticker on my truck, along with a union plate. Does this make me a "paid wacker"? Maybe so, but I know that I try to lead my VFD by example, and remain professional at all times, and keep the newbies in line, and try to keep them from at least appearing to be the textbook "wacker".

    Ok, soapbox off, back to lurking.

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    OK, Dr., I get your point about the perception thing. I see we're you're coming from.

    *Tugs* Undergarment adjusted.

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    Originally posted by BoxAlarm187
    Let me start off by saying that I'm both career (firefighter) and volunteer (district fire chief). It sounds like a lot of people took Parasite's post in the wrong text.

    I didn't see the post at all as put down on the volunteers - it was a self-analysis of the fire service. From what I read, he was trying to say that a career FF and a volunteer FF can do the exact same thing (and for the most part, they do), but because one recieves a paycheck, and one doesn't, their actions are seen in a completely different light.

    Seen in a different light by whom, you ask? Usually career firefighters, unfortunately.

    I would say that most of us know that NOT all volunteers are wackers, squirrels, woo-woo's, or whatever you call them in your neck of the woods. There are thousands of professional, well-trained, well-equipped volunteer departments out there, with a smattering of guys/gals that are over-the-edge: going to the Fire Expo in Harrisburg, PA wearing your fire pager, even though your from upstate NY, and expect the thing to do off...things like that.

    And I do have a union sticker on my truck, along with a union plate. Does this make me a "paid wacker"? Maybe so, but I know that I try to lead my VFD by example, and remain professional at all times, and keep the newbies in line, and try to keep them from at least appearing to be the textbook "wacker".

    Ok, soapbox off, back to lurking.
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    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    So what kind of lightbar do you have in your POV, Dr. P?

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    Originally posted by ROOKIELZ
    So what kind of lightbar do you have in your POV, Dr. P?
    the answer to your question has already been discussed in great length. if you are interested in the outcome, check out this thread: http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...threadid=63513
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    Not much to say that hasn't been said except that as a 25 year volunteer I took no offense at all to the good Drs. post. In fact, its very true that the same action taken by 2 different people in two different agencies can be perceived in 2 diffrent ways. And for those that are offended by the term "wackers" and how they are defined ... well folks, they exist in the volunteer fire service and unfortunatly make us all look bad by thier " everyone look at me, I'm a bad azz firemannnnnnnnnnnnn who fights (usually like an idiot that risks all of our lives or from the second backup posistion on the handline) what you fear" attitudes. Or he may brag about his "big johnson" (which is probably more like a booster line). My point is that we need to look inward at each of our department's personnel and recognize wackers and potential wackers, and then as officers and senior firefighters, take steps as to show them the correct way to act, or if needed, put them in thier place and change thier destructive behaviors (either by soft and subtle consueling or adminstrative policies) before they do damage to YOUR departments reputation in both the community and with other fire departments.
    Thats the reality .... and we can either accept that we have "children" who need to learn how to behave or bury our heads in the sand and ignore them ... I guess it's your choice.
    I know that there are those in my agency who say that I take it too seriously and am too concerned about "perceptions" .... well we have a proud tradition, that at times need protecting from those who don't understand the responsibility they have undertaken to live it, nuture it and protect it (the WACKERS).

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    Pretty loose criteria, if you ask me!
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    I have a few of Parasite's (dont flatter him by actually calling him a doctor) so-called Whacker traits, and almost every other vollie does as well. This thread is an insult to all volunteers, and has an "I'm better than you" attitude. It needs to be deleted. Where is the web team?

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    Writting with a sarcastic tone is much harder for the reader to understand than when it is spoken. Re-read Dr. Parasite's post and imagine someone saying those same words in a sarcastic way.

    Sarcastic writting will either strike the reader with its true intention or will cause the reader to see the opposite of the true intention. Example: If I say, "The weather is just lovely today." Are you sure I'm saying that about a sunny day at 75 degrees, or am I sarcastically referring to sleet while driving?

    Everything depends on the writter's intent.

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    Well I guess I have reading comprehension issues as I missed the insulting parts ....

    .... A wacker puts FF/EMS stickers all over his car

    Well it's a good thing PROFESSIONAL volunteers do that so we
    match all the other professionals like doctors, nurses and
    police officers that have stickers all over thier cars
    advertising who they are and how important they are. A small
    department sticker is fine and maybe a small 911 or Worchester6
    sticker is professional ... but there's a very clear line
    folks.

    .... A wacker will purchase a leather helmet because it's cool.

    Notice the reason .. a PROFESSIONAL will purchase a leather
    helmet because of it's performance. You know you're a wacker
    if ya look in the mirror when ya throw on the leather and get
    a woodie. And pssst .... bbqing it to make it look cool will
    make ya a super wacker.

    .... A wacker will wear a firefighting novelty shirt.

    Really do ya think the public cares a little bit about what er
    fight and they fear or they want any information at all
    about the size of your johnson. Again maybe I missed all
    the other professionals out there drawing attention to
    themselves.

    As I said in my previous post .. if we want to be perceived as professsionals we need to act like professionals ....

    Just my thoughts.

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    Fire2123, everyone has a right to their opinion even if it doesn't rub you the right way. Removing the "wacker" thread would be wrong. I, too, was offended by it but finally finished reading the replies and realized the truth may hurt a bit. I realized the offense came from the fact that I was new once and displayed some, if not most, of the issues at hand. I quit being disrespectful and just concentrated on the job a long time ago. Drparasite is just writing about things that get others to think a little.

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    I have been watching this thread, yet I have been resisting posting my opinion... until now.

    Parasite's thread has had the effect of poking a stick into a hornet's nest. we can look and laugh and see a lort of ourselves in it.

    The one thing that stirred 99% of the crap is the "professionals get paid" line.

    I am what you would call a "professional firefighter", I do get paid for what I do, and have been for 23+ years now. I have seeen some career personnel who are anything but professional, and I have seen call/volunteer personnel who are totally professional when it comes to "da job".

    Taking firefighter courses as a volunteer or POC does not make one a "whacker" hoping to get on a career job... it's learning how to do "da job" and survive. Career jakes also take firefighting courses for the same reason.

    Some career guys don't take any training other the Academy and what their FD offers...amd even then they are ****ing and moaning about having to do it... the same goes for volunteers and POC, who look at their FD as a social club only and who never go to calls unless it's the "big one"...

    I am willing to bet that everyone in the fire service owns at least one "whacker" shirt (I have a couple of the "Big Johnson" shirts myself )

    There are "whackers" and "wannabees" out there...some just happen to be volunteer and career.

    There are professionals out there... some just happen to be volunteer and career.

    Capishe? Thank you.
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