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    Originally posted by EMTA20
    I'm not saying this is in college, I am saying this in a small HS, in a town roughly the size of 8,000. Our pagers are not on an "audible" alert but a vibration one. If we didn't go to these calls, then no one would get their for about 15 to 30 minutes in the area we live in. What would you rather have, a certified Emt who is 17 there in around 5 mintutes, or a certified EMT who is 30 who is their in around 15. I will let you decide
    so your going to say to the teacher, "Mrs. jones, i have an ambulance call, I need to leave class, I'll be back in an hour", and you don't think this will be disruptive?

    and who would I have treating me? a 17 year old kid, who has been an EMT for a couple of months, who's got less hair on his face than I have on my *** (i know, not a pretty thought), and who grabed his geometry HW so he wouldn't fall too far behind for the drive back to school?

    Listen, I understand your eagerness, and how you don't understand where some of the old timers are coming from. and how you can skip class to go on fire calls, and it would be all fine and dandy. I've been in your shoes, and the bottom line is that you need to put your education first.

    oh, and if your squad can't get crews out during the day, then they need to start paying people to ride the ambulance, maybe have one ambulance for the surrounding 6 towns, or whatever is cost effective. but having juniors answer the calls isn't a good idea.

    and if you want a legal reason, consider this. a call sheet/ PCR / run sheet / whatever you call it is a legal document. it must be signed by the attendant/ crew cheif/ PIC/ whatever you call the person in the back of the rig to be considered acceptable in the eyes of the law. however, people under 18 (ie minors) cannot sign their name without a parent cosigning the form. so if you aren't 18, how can you legally sign that legal document?
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    Originally posted by DrParasite
    and if you want a legal reason, consider this. a call sheet/ PCR / run sheet / whatever you call it is a legal document. it must be signed by the attendant/ crew cheif/ PIC/ whatever you call the person in the back of the rig to be considered acceptable in the eyes of the law. however, people under 18 (ie minors) cannot sign their name without a parent cosigning the form. so if you aren't 18, how can you legally sign that legal document?
    "You say that First Responder Chris placed an oral airway and was venthilating the patient via bag valve mask, why isn't his name on the run form?"

    You mean I have to have Mommy come sign the form now?

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    EMTA20
    Not to be cynical but I have a hard time believing that you had a 4.0. Your posts have horrible spelling and you can't seem to find the shift key to get some capital letters on your sentences.

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    Originally posted by ramseycl
    EMTA20
    Not to be cynical but I have a hard time believing that you had a 4.0. Your posts have horrible spelling and you can't seem to find the shift key to get some capital letters on your sentences.
    Oh, they only do that because it's quicker to get something posted that way...

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    Originally posted by EMTA20
    I'm not saying this is in college, I am saying this in a small HS, in a town roughly the size of 8,000. Our pagers are not on an "audible" alert but a vibration one. If we didn't go to these calls, then no one would get their for about 15 to 30 minutes in the area we live in. What would you rather have, a certified Emt who is 17 there in around 5 mintutes, or a certified EMT who is 30 who is their in around 15. I will let you decide
    What are you going to do in college? Leave during class too?

    I'm from what I consider a midsized town, population~60,278. With surrounding towns with a population~23,747; 11,921; 28,229; 73,706; 30,363 and around 42,000. I consider this midsized because I'm about 20 minutes from Chicago. All these towns departments assist eachother when needed or when on the towns limits.

    So I'll never know what your community is going through. Unless I move to an area like yours~never going to happen. I see that your community is short handed and EMT's and other emergency personnel are needed. What are the residency requirements? Maybe they should extend them.

    As for deciding on who to wait for....please don't take this the wrong way....but, if I can wait, than I will. Then again if I can wait I would probably have someone drive me the the hospital(if it's safe to move). If it's I'm going to die in 15 minutes, be happy for any competent person help fight the fight.

    I think we are concerned for your personal education and those who are disrupted from class who are not leaving for an EMS call.

    Please know I'm trying to stir you or anyone up. Just would like to know your reasoning/mindset.

    Take care and stay safe;
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    To reply on your post about spelling and grammar errors, the reason they are like that is because I donít proof read my posts or spell check them before I post them. In addition, who cares, itís a non-formal posting board where what we type isnít being scored on grammar and spelling mistakes.

    Jorie what MABAS box are you in if you are in one? I have a friend who lives up their and is in Box 3

    When I go to college, I will be in a place where I wonít need to leave class for a call, because I wonít be working for the dept in that town, nor will I be any where close to the town where I currently live in. Therefore, I see no basis for that question

    And about the disruption of class, the kids here know what is going on when any of us leave, the teachers know to, if our pager vibrates in class, then we just leave, go to the call, and come back when we are finished, the only disruption we have is kids who leave their cell phones on during class and they go off, (they have nothing to do with the EMS program, and are not evolved) so I still donít see what the big deal is with us leaving if we keep our grades up and such.


    Oh, and why you ask this post is spelled right and grammatically correct s because I did it in word and copied it.

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    Go get 'em tiger.

    ...And in response to the spelling grammar thing, the answer to that would be simple, 90% of the 16-22(ish) year olds have grown up with computers, the internet, chat rooms, forums, and instant messaging, all of this is in a private format and most everybody shortens their typing by cutting back on correct grammar and punctuation, its more of a matter that we are typing how we think at the moment. Not "we're typing a formal letter".
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    Neither of the 2 posts I am involved in give us the ability to leave school. If they did, would I leave? NOPE. As stated by many others here, responding from school might be cool, but it will more than likely be detrimental in the long run. I have to agree 100% with DrParasite on this one, as he said it best: put your education first
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    Hey EMTA,
    Im not writting this to critize anyone, but to try to put somethings into perspective. You asked a question, and there are many very wonderful peices of advise here for you. Im 19 and still waiting for my EMT in the mail, and trust me i would love to respond to calls to help someone that could benifit from my training. The truth is that these people have been there and done it before, and obviously recomends against it. Now maybe you can do it all, and its not a problem for you, but you asked a question and heres what they had to say. Id listen.

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    while kids i know are skipping school illegally to do drugs and get into trouble, i am leaving school because of my compliance, and eligibilty for a cooperative program between my high school and our fire department, to go and learn about fire/ems and to help people in need. In order to be allowed to leave school i must meet the same strict academic requirments that have been established for members of sports teams. I consider it a privilage, and a small reward, for all of the hard work that high school firefighters do, to be able to leave school for a call. I don't see how that is a "life altering" problem...

    If an iresponsible high school student abuses this privilage, they should lose it, and in my school they have.

    just my two cents...

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    Originally posted by EMTA20
    Jorie what MABAS box are you in if you are in one? I have a friend who lives up their and is in Box 3
    I live in MABAS Division 3 also.
    What town does your friend live in?

    DFD232, the issue is placing your education first. One of the requirements to even apply for a Fire Department is to have your High School Diploma or GED. And it being a disturbance for others that are not going to a call. If you are keeping up with your studies without difficulties and going to calls by leaving class quietly, then that is your decision and priorities. Just say away form those doing the drugs and illegal activities.
    An education is only wasted when the taught individual chooses not to recognize the value of the lesson.

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    ranked 24th in a class of 400, 1300 on my SAT... its ok you can say it i am a nerd. LOL

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    brains count; don't knock them!
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