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    Default Bernard Kerik next DHS Secretary?

    Your thoughts. Good? Bad? In my personal opinion the jury's still out on this one.
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    I see more DHS funding going to the thin blue line than the fire service, due to Kerik's former position as NYPD commissioner.

    I thought at Rudy Giuliani would have gotten the nod for the post.

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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    I see more DHS funding going to the thin blue line than the fire service, due to Kerik's former position as FDNY commissioner.

    I thought at Rudy Giuliani would have gotten the nod for the post.
    Why would an ex FDNY comish "favor" the police?
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    I think Ron meant to say NYPD Commissioner.
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    Oops! my bad! The post will be corrected sfter I am flogged unmercifully with with a wet turkish towel!

    PS: Jesse..you got me on this one.. but I still have the lead BWAHAHAHAHA!
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    Oops! my bad! The post will be corrected sfter I am flogged unmercifully with with a wet turkish towel!

    PS: Jesse..you got me on this one.. but I still have the lead BWAHAHAHAHA!
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    Default Re: Bernard Kerik next DHS Secretary?

    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Your thoughts. Good? Bad? In my personal opinion the jury's still out on this one.
    IMO...he's a good leader....no BS...and is mission oriented....I glad he will be selected...I expected him to get it anyway...
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    By DEVLIN BARRETT
    Associated Press Writer
    WASHINGTON (AP) - As New York's police commissioner, Bernard
    Kerik became known after the Sept. 11 attacks as the fierce,
    sorrowful face of his reeling department. But the former undercover
    cop has been confronting danger for decades.
    His expertise as a crimefighter and his oversight of the NYPD's
    heroic efforts during the 2001 terrorist attacks earned him
    international fame and a role as a special adviser to the Iraqi
    government, which drew on his help to establish a fledgling police
    force after the toppling of Saddam Hussein.
    Now President Bush, who on Thursday selected Kerik to replace
    Tom Ridge as secretary of the Homeland Security Department, is
    counting on him to help defend the nation's borders from terrorist
    attacks like the one that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York,
    Washington and Pennsylvania more than three years ago.
    When former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani began searching in 2000 for
    someone to lead the NYPD, he selected Kerik: a fiercely loyal
    lieutenant who still spoke with the low grumble of a street cop.
    About a year after his appointment, Kerik found himself racing
    to the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan amid reports a plane
    had struck one of the towers. Soon afterward, as the second plane
    struck the south tower, sending a shower of rubble and burning
    debris toward him, Kerik found himself running for his life. He
    remained stoic alongside Giuliani, who had become "America's
    mayor" because of his stewardship of the city during the crisis.
    More recently in Iraq, Kerik was dubbed the "Baghdad
    Terminator" after summarily dismissing a newly reinstated Iraqi
    official who turned out to be a member of Hussein's Baath Party.
    Kerik, 49, grew up without knowing his birth mother, a tough kid
    in Paterson, N.J., where he usually cut classes from the
    trouble-filled Eastside High School later depicted in the 1989 film
    "Lean on Me." He learned years later that his mother was a
    convicted prostitute, possibly killed by a pimp.
    Kerik dropped out of high school, getting an equivalency degree,
    to join the Army, where he became a military policeman stationed in
    South Korea.
    Within a few years, he left the military to work private
    security in Saudi Arabia, his first taste of the type of security
    measures used to protect VIPs from terrorists.
    After a stint supervising a jail in New Jersey, he became a New
    York police officer, starting out walking a beat in Times Square
    when it was still largely the domain of seedy characters and street
    hustlers. He was promoted to detective and worked undercover
    busting drug dealers, growing a long ponytail to help him look the
    part.
    In the 1990s, he was tapped to clean up New York's long-troubled
    jail system. Under his watch as the city's corrections chief,
    stabbings and fights at the notorious Riker's Island dropped
    precipitously.
    Since leaving the department, Kerik joined Giuliani Partners,
    becoming a security consultant and then signing on to help launch
    the Iraqi police force.
    During the Republican National Convention this summer, he
    vociferously backed Bush as the right man to lead the war on
    terror.
    Kerik has two young daughters with his second wife, Halah, and a
    grown son. He fathered another daughter while stationed in Korea;
    he was able to find her after Sept. 11 made him a national figure.
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    I thnk we all knew that there was no way that a fire service person was going to be put in that position.

    In order to ensure that the fire service does not lose any of the programs we have now, and to be in a position to pitch for additional money and programs, there is only one thing to do.

    The major fire service organizations have to be united and maintain a constant, professional presence at the table. As soon as he is confirmed, a meeting should be scheduled with the USFA and the major fire service organizations to set up a long range plan and to hear what ideas Mr. Kerrick has. If the fire service splits, this is over before it starts.

    It would be interesting to hear from the FDNY guys about the unreported things that occurred on his watch.

    To me, he appears to be a good leader and instituted many innovative programs to reduce the crime rate and raise the quality of life in NYC. He is also a Jersey Boy (Paterson).

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    He is also a Jersey Boy (Paterson).
    Ok...well...so he's not perfect...
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    Originally posted by E40FDNYL35
    But why?

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    Also, I know we've beat this dog around before, but probably 99% of Homeland Security does not involve the fire service. If te job is done properly (as it has been as of today), there will be no attacks and there will be no need for the fire service to react. But there is a huge mission that goes on there 24/7.

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    He was not qualified to be New York City Police Commissioner and definitely is not qualified DHS.
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    Since Kerik is law enforcment driven, fire won't get squat. Law enforcement rarely admits that firefighting is nearly as important a function as theirs.

    Here in OC, the local deputies constantly say how fire could increase staffing by just adding more volunteers.
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    I dont have a beef with someone from law enforcement per se being the Secretary. For some reason I dont trust this guy with running the whole show.
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    As George said, as long as the fire service can approach the table with a unified voice and let our legislators know that we are watching them, we'll be fine. The reality is the leadership at Homeland Security requires a COP, not a Firefighter. It is a security agency ... and we need to remember that. But we also need to remember that we MUST take a lesson from law enforcement and be unified .... they didn't get all thier money by approaching the feds with 3 or 4 differing agendas being pushed by 3 or 4 seperate factions. NOW .... if we can all play together nice .... and talk ...

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    I was kinda hoping for a reprise of Joe Allbaugh. I'm not sure how qualified he was when he started at FEMA, but I firmly believe that by the time he left he saw the Big Picture.
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    Default Misconception.

    Cops unified? Who is THIER unifying voice? In Illinois, the fire service is so far ahead of law enforcement when it comes to working together ie: mutual aid, incident command etc. it would make your head spin. Once again, its not a law enforcement/ fire service issue. This is bigger then both of them combined.
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    Originally posted by LaFireEducator
    The reality is the leadership at Homeland Security requires a COP, not a Firefighter. It is a security agency ...
    A very interesting and valid point. Conversely it would seem a good fit for a fire service professional would be director of FEMA.

    Somehow the firefighter voice never seems to make it to that level of government.
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    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Cops unified? Who is THIER unifying voice? In Illinois, the fire service is so far ahead of law enforcement when it comes to working together ie: mutual aid, incident command etc. it would make your head spin. Once again, its not a law enforcement/ fire service issue. This is bigger then both of them combined.
    We are not talking about the operational level. The issue is at the political level. At that level, historically and presently, law enforcement generally speaks with a unified voice. You simply do not see the infighting, backstabbing, badmouthing and pettiness that you see in the fire service.

    One point, one question...

    If there is no fire service professional at the helm in the USFA, it is the fire service's fault.

    Nobidy has yet answered the question as to what is wrong with Bernie Kerrick? Why isn't he qualified?

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI

    We are not talking about the operational level. The issue is at the political level. At that level, historically and presently, law enforcement generally speaks with a unified voice. You simply do not see the infighting, backstabbing, badmouthing and pettiness that you see in the fire service.

    For one thing you never hear of volunteer police officers bashing their professional counterparts. Like it or not, that mentality goes a long way to keeping the ranks intact.


    One point, one question...

    If there is no fire service professional at the helm in the USFA, it is the fire service's fault.

    Agreed.


    Nobidy has yet answered the question as to what is wrong with Bernie Kerrick? Why isn't he qualified?

    I thought the point is that he will give the fire service short shrift for any policy decisions. If he exhibits the typical attitude of law enforcement towards the fire service, we shouldn't expect anything diffent, and be surprised when it does.
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    I thought the point is that he will give the fire service short shrift for any policy decisions. If he exhibits the typical attitude of law enforcement towards the fire service, we shouldn't expect anything diffent, and be surprised when it does.
    First of all, others on here have expressed that he isn't qualified. I am trying to get them to tell us why.

    Second of all, for someone who continually spouts off about generalization, "...will give us short shrify..." and "...typical attitude..." are gross generalizations. How about some facts to back up your generalizations, Skippy? Give us one concrete, solid example of how Kerrick has an anti-fire service "attitude".

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    What did Kerik do to combat terrorism? (as New York City police commissioner)? Why did Kerik leave the job in Iraq two and a half months early? What experience qualifies him to run the largest federal department created in the last half-century?

    Wait, I know ...He's Rudy Giuliani's BOY.
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    What did Kerik do to combat terrorism? (as New York City police commissioner)? Why did Kerik leave the job in Iraq two and a half months early? What experience qualifies him to run the largest federal department created in the last half-century?
    But this does nothing to state why is not qualified.

    Is he not educated enough? Does he lack law enforcement experience? Does he lack administrative / leadership expereince? If yes, then expound upon the point made.

    As a police commissioner / chief the job is about 100% administrative.

    As DHS chief, the job is about 90% administrative and 10% getting in front of cameras and beign a politico.

    No idea why he left Iraq early, maybe he just wanted to.

    His experienec for leading the largest federal department stems from leading the largest police department in teh nation, probably the world.

    I am not saying he is or is not qualified, but you must substantiate such accusations and statements.

    As it has been said, this positions is about security and determining information as it relates to threats against the United States. This is more of a Police / laaw enforcement position. Granted there is SOME, albeit a minor place, for fire suppression in that FEMA, USFA, and FIRE Act fall under his perview. Otherwise the other components to the agency are all law enforcement - US Secret Service, FBI, Customs, INS, Coast Guard, and the myriad of other agencies. Their primary mission is law enforcement, ergo I would rather have a law enforcement expereinced person at the top, even if it is just a figure head position (more or less).

    If Karik is not the right person, tell me why? Who would you suggest? Why would a fire service experienced person a better choice for this position? Why not ant EMS experienced person fro the position? They get the shaft too from the politicos.

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