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    What are the laws regarding who can park in a fire lane and when? The reason I ask is because there is a local store where we like to visit when times are slow. We park our rescue truck in the fire lane and the security guy pitches a fit every time, threatening to have us towed, etc...There are several reasons we park there...such as the $300,000+ of equipment in the non-lockable storage, close proximity in case of a call, etc...This is a chain store and none of the other ones in the area have ever said a word, most of them enjoy having us there.

    I was wondering what the legalities of this is, and whose jurisdiction it falls under...the police or fire marshall. I have looked through T.C.A here, but have not been able to find anything regarding who can and can't and when they can park there.

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    edit: this is really for imformative purposes for myself and my agency. If we are wrong, then I will make sure it is stopped and apologize to the security guard personally.

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    Not sure how it is in TN, but my opinion is....... Is it in your district or coverage area? If so, who is going to be first on scene? You will. We park in the fire lanes all the time when we are doing inspections and such. If there is an emergency there, we would be parking there anyways. Obviously, don't block the roadway/lot so no other cars can pass through, but I don't see what the big deal is.......

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    See, that is my opinion..and yes this specific store is in our coverage area.

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    If Security wants to "nitpick" about where you park the rig, a "spur of the moment inspection" is definetely called for.. you will be amazed at what you can find in the back room areas in reference to improper trash disposal, blocked means of egress, expired extinguishers, pull stations hidden by displays, etc. etc. etc.
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    That is a great idea...except we are a rescue only company. We don't fool with inspections, but maybe a we should call across the hall and ahve them follow us one day.

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    Yeah I would love to see that moron call a tow truck to remove a FIRE TRUCK FROM THE FIRE LANE. I doubt the tow truck company would respond, and if they did, I would highly doubt they would actually tow you. Does the store manager know what the security guard is doing? How does he feel about you parking in the fire lane?

    On the other hand, I wouldn't want to start a ****ing contest with the company or it's employees becasue of bad PR.

    At the store where I work, the engine from the local fire station is parked away from the building in the empty section of the parking lot. The only time they are in the fire lane is if they are dropping off Santa.
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    Just tell them how cool there plastic badges and amber lights are.
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    It's not really a fire truck as one would imagine, it is a F-450 with boxes on the sides, so it's not like it takes up a lot of room. The problem with parking way out in the empty part of the parking lot, is theft and there are no cameras as deterrents, and the fact the lot is usually at least 1/2 full, so it would be a nice little ~150-250 yard jog to the truck.

    I am trying to find the legalities of parking there before I go have a chat with the manager. If we are wrong, so be it. But if we are right, I want to be able to print the TCA section out and let them read it.

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    FIRE TRUCK

    FIRE LANE

    What is this guard not understanding??

    Remind him how much authority he has to do anything (which is nothing), then invite him to call a tow truck. See what happens. It will be one of a few things...

    1. The tow company laughs at the wannabe cop on the phone and hangs up.

    2. They send a tow truck, and the tow operator laughs at the guard and leaves.

    3. Some moron actually tows the FIRE truck out of the FIRE lane. Imagine the headlines... "Bill's Supermarket tows fire truck from fire lane, choking baby dies due to delayed response"

    Not that we have security guards at any of the stores here, but if any employee actually told me to move the FIRE TRUCK out of the FIRE LANE or they would tow it, I would probably laugh at them and continue going about my buisness ignoring their very presense... or go to a competitors store that is within view, park in their fire lane and give them my buisness.
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    We have tried telling him Rescue=fire=fire lane...but he is not having it. He says, if we are not there on an emergency, then we must park with everyone else.

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    for legality purposes, make sure the local PD and fire officials (ie, fire inspectors and code enforcement officers) have no problems with you parking there. if they are ok with it, next time the security guard wants to call a tow truck because you are parked in the fire lane, give him your phone. then go talk to the manager about him harrassing you.
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    I don't think I could park my engine in the the fire lanes of any of the grocery stores in my district -- the bread man or the beer man always beats me to it.

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    Just tell the rent a cop to go eat some more donuts and get out of your face or he will be looking for another type of employment. It is an emergency vehicle and if he so desires to have it towed, have at it!



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    Originally posted by CptBullFrog
    We have tried telling him Rescue=fire=fire lane...but he is not having it. He says, if we are not there on an emergency, then we must park with everyone else.
    Then inform him that if there is an emergency in his establishment while you are inside, you and your entire crew will have to go to the Outer Mongolia lot to retrieve your emergency vehicle and drive it carefully to the aforementioned fire lane before making any effort whatsoever to mitigate the emergency.

    As an aside, though, is this a fire department rescue truck or a rescue squad vehicle? If so, he might not be considering the prospect of you responding to a call at the store and thereby not deem you worthy of parking there.

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    Originally posted by cozmosis
    I don't think I could park my engine in the the fire lanes of any of the grocery stores in my district -- the bread man or the beer man always beats me to it.
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    Hey Cap. Sounds like a security guard couldn't get hired at the local FD. lol

    In Memphis we are supposed to leave someone with the apparatus any time we go out shopping, etc. I have worked on companies that park in the fire lane and others that park as close as possible out in the lot. I would say that most of us park somewhere up front in the fire lane, but out of the way. Personally we try not to ever block any means of access or egress form the occupancy. We don't need to be that close!

    Besides being up front to provide all the benefits you listed, if you ever try to park in the lot someone will invariablly block you in. It must be another of Murphy's laws. I have never heard of anything on the books. Personally, I would operate like you want to and not worry about what the $8/hr. security guards opinion on the matter is. As long as you are not stealing from the store, his realm of responsibity is covered. Let him call whoever he wants - when and if a wrecker showed up prior to you leaving (which is unlikely) they will be mad at him - not you.

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    Originally posted by cozmosis
    I don't think I could park my engine in the the fire lanes of any of the grocery stores in my district -- the bread man or the beer man always beats me to it.
    Or...you could be like us and have the "out of towners" complain when we park the ambulance in the fire lane...far from the point of entry to the store..because we are blocking them from parking there. I actually had a woman in a Mercedes SUV come up behind us one day as we were getting out of the ambulance...we were actually running a call there that day...and told us to move the ambulance..because 1) it said FIRE lane, not ambulance lane, and 2) she needed to park there because the handicapped spots were filled and she needed one (sidenote-no handicapped permit visible, and ski rack on the car with skis, and she was dressed in a ski outfit). I told her to take it up with the cop that pulled in behind her...needless to say she found a regular parking space.
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    Will have to look up the code to see what the rules are (books are at the other station). Per our SOGs, unless we are on an emergency call we will not park in the fire lane. If theft were a problem, I would leave someone with the apparatus.

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    We used to sell $700 tickets in front of store in a neighboring district, but we were second due for automatic mutual aid. We would take an engine and park it in the fire lane. One time we were there a guy pulled into the fire lane and went in to do his shopping. A few minutes later one of the township cops, who happened to be one of our members, pulled in and proceeded to write the guy a ticket. The guy runs out of the store and starts yelling at the cop. The guy looks at us, looks at our pumper, and exclaims "they are parked there".

    Predictable response from the cop - "Sir, that is a fire truck".

    Poor guy didn't have a response to that.
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    What city are you in?

    If you don't mind me asking that is.

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    Hey Cap. Sounds like a security guard couldn't get hired at the local FD. lol
    Just tell the rent a cop to go eat some more donuts and get out of your face or he will be looking for another type of employment.
    Just tell them how cool there plastic badges and amber lights are.
    You know, if these kinds of comments were aimed at volunteer firefighters ("Wannabe firemen", "wackers")etc., this thread would probably be shut down faster than you could say boo. I don't think anyone here would make these comments about law enforcement officers, EMS personnel, or anyone else in uniform, either.

    Let's have a little respect here, guys. Granted, this guy sounds like the South end of a North-bound horse, but can we be a little more professional? Comments like those posted above are juvenile and make us look like a bunch of idiots.

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    Hey Chief Leblanc. I couldn't agree with you more. Why did we all beat around the bush when we could have just come out and called the guy an *** like you did. In the same post I might add, that you were chastizing everyone for being unprofessional.

    It seems as if (most) chiefs nationwide all attend the same school of hypocracy.

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    It seems as if (most) chiefs nationwide all attend the same school of hypocracy.
    Some of them even graduated.

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    Originally posted by mmutk2000
    What city are you in?

    If you don't mind me asking that is.
    Johnson City area

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    Frankly my dept parks in the firelane if we are at the store for sme reason wheter its for a food drive, a call, or just shopping but we park off to the side out of the entrances and all and never have a problem. People always like to come over and say hi or look at the truck and we dont mind at all... I would just keep going with my business...a fire truck would meet fire lane parking material in my eyes
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