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    Hi, I am an Engineer for Los Angeles County Fire Department. I am looking into the 48/96 (48 hours on / 96 hours off) shift schedule. I am trying to build a list of departments that are currently useing this schedule or are in a trial period prior to voteing to make it permenant. Anyone know of some fire departments useing this schedule?

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    You may want to try a search. I believe this schedule has been discussed a few times on here...

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    San bernardino city,Norco and i believe the Colton fire departments are on that schedule.

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    Default Re: 48/96 Shift Schedule

    Originally posted by fyerdriver
    Hi, I am an Engineer for Los Angeles County Fire Department. I am looking into the 48/96 (48 hours on / 96 hours off) shift schedule. I am trying to build a list of departments that are currently useing this schedule or are in a trial period prior to voteing to make it permenant. Anyone know of some fire departments useing this schedule?

    Who would want to work a 48 if you run all the time like we do on the Right Coast????
    Stay Safe and Well Out There....

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    Hello- I have written several threads on the issue. To sum it
    up, the 48/96 is great for the FDs that run light, medium to
    semi-busy calls.

    The County of San Bernardino FD had the schedule and went
    away from it due to some of their Fontana stations getting
    slammed. (24-30 calls a 24 hour shift)

    So, yes. I have said if youre super busy, this might not be
    for you. But the advantages are huge! Imagine going to work
    basicly one a week, less driving for you. More time for the
    kids. Less wear and tear on your car, equipment at work.
    Dumping less chemicals down the toilets (cleaning tiolets
    every day) and your FD is saving money because you arent
    using the cleaning supplies everyday as well. The list
    goes on and on.

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    48 on and 96 off......What are you trying to do to your wife?
    If your kids are young she would have to get the kids to the sitter, pick them up and cater to their every need alone for 48 hours. If the kids are teenagers you might as well call her Chaufer. If you work out of a busy house then your first day off is shot to catch up on sleep so now she has to pull a 72 hour shift. Then her first day off ( your second) she'll be in therapy. That leaves you with the next day of her mad at you for the situation you put her in the next day to make up and then the cycle starts all over again.
    Then your mutual partner (shift trades)gets all whacked. Early and late reliefs would be a B**tch because after 48 hours everyone wants to get the heck out of there. Your kids got a ball game.....who is going to drive in for a few hours? You blow in sick....48 hours off your bank.
    I work on the right coast also and just looking at it quick I can see 100:1 negatives to positives.
    With any wheel we work in this job (except staff) the family takes a hit. Ask their opinion before pushing for it. It might just save you half of your retirement.
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    I worked 48/96 and loved it. Less driving and then 4 days off to do what I wanted. Not a super busy hall so the shift was perfect. Other people work 4and 4 12 hour shifts - not liking that! Seems mom has to do lots over 96 hours instead of 48 and if you work nights on your last 12 then your catching up on sleep the next day also anyway.

    Either way you look at it shift work sucks - 48 / 96 is the way to go - if your not a super busy station.

    For now I work 8-5 monday to fri - terrible!

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    Originally posted by Mulldog
    I work on the right coast also and just looking at it quick I can see 100:1 negatives to positives.
    With any wheel we work in this job (except staff) the family takes a hit. Ask their opinion before pushing for it. It might just save you half of your retirement.
    Mull- No offensive, I think you would need someone to sit
    down and really explain the whole thing to you. More and
    more FDs (California and non-CA) are going to it. And more
    and more people working it, love it and dont want to go back.

    when you go to the store, do you make muliple trips for milk,
    bread, eggs, cheese, etc? No, ofcourse not. Its the same
    concept, go to work once a week and come home for 4 straight.

    Less driving back and forth and more time with the family.
    And LESS GAS! And less FD employees on the road everyday equals
    less smog and gridlock. Open up your mind man and get out of that
    East Coast only thinking.

    It is very basic, works and more people are going to it.

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    We switched from a 24-48 to a 48-96 about two years ago with no cost to the district. We just added two days to our FLSA cycle to make the cycles line up right. If your vacation days are an even # you get 4 extra days off at the end of of it. If they are odd #'s you should start your vacation on the second day so you don't have to come back for one day then go off for four.
    It only took a month working this schedule to convince the anti 48's that this was the way to go. We have shifts where we could run up to 18 calls a day and nobody here needs 24 hours to recover. If you need 24 hours rest after a busy shift then I suggest you make an appointment to see your doctor cause

    you're outta shape!

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    if your looking for 4 days off whats wrong with this
    4 days on
    -2 12 hour day shifts then 2 14 hour night shifts
    4 days off and the tour starts up again
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    Your suggestion requires hiring a whole 4th shift. 48/96 is the same as 24/48 just everything is multiplied by 2 and using only 3 shifts.

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    Default Ugh...

    No thanks on those split 12 or 14 hour shifts. No thanks and
    pretty much everyone works 24 hour shifts out here with a
    3 platoon system. (A,B,C)

    Wake up and look outside the box. The 1 on, 2 off system is
    old and geared just for management. 2/4 is sweet. Who doesnt
    want to save gas and wear/tear on their cars?

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    Only one drawback to working the 48 hour shift compared to a regular rotation with four platoons. 3 platoons working 48 on 96 off equals 2960 hours worked. Working a regular 4 platoons 4 on 4 off hours add up to roughly 2290 hours per year.
    It was always a bone of contention because the dispatchers made the same amount of money as we did working a four platoon system where we were on a 3 platoon system working more hours for the same amount of money!
    Check your numbers before you change anything!
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    It's kinda hard to work 2290 hours per year when your FLSA cycle requires a 56 hour work week.

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    If you need 24 hours rest after a busy shift then I suggest you make an appointment to see your doctor cause

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    What does being in shape have to do with being mentally sound?
    We work a 4 group system, run 5000 calls a year, inspections(1000+), training, house duties and our down time is 2200 hours. We work 2- 10 hour days and 2- 14 hour nights. Your first night maybe a breeze but after productivity on the second day I would bet that everyone is not on their A game. The Driver has the biggest challenge after being up and down for 48 hours is he really as mentally sharp as he copuld be?
    Sleep depravation is one of the leading causes for accidents. I would be intersted in seeing a study on accidents with that schedual vs. the other ones.

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    I am not opposed to change and often think outside of the box. That is why I added the strain that it would put on the family because you have 2 to depend on and depend on you. Think about it and ask your family which they would prefer. Maybe on a 3 platoon system it works for you but you also stated that it does not work for a busy house. So I believe we agree. As for the right coast, well we have been down that road before and we can get off the subject and bust eachothers balls again if you wish. 11/2" hose carrying, plastic helmet wearing ect ect. Just busting don't get all worked up. I know you wear a real helmet.

    Either way the post started out with a person asking for opinions...I gave mine.
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    Originally posted by Mulldog
    If you work out of a busy house then your first day off is shot to catch up on sleep so now she has to pull a 72 hour shift. Then her first day off ( your second) she'll be in therapy.
    Mulldog, I must have read this wrong when I replied. Please help me make sense of your own words.

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    If you are up all night or busy enough not to get enough sleep for 2 days (48 hours)you will have to get it on your first day off. Most likely during the day when you get home. Thats the point I was trying to make. Lack of sleep catches up with everyone.
    The main point is I think that it would be very taxing on the family. Maybe it's just me, but thats the way I am looking at it.
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    you could go federal and work 24/24 for a 72 hr week!!!

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    Hey, when I came on the job it was 84 hours a week or 168 per pay period. It is now 24/72. Yes sir I do love this job!!!

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    Mulldog - So what happens if you work a 14 hour night shift and its balls to the wall - your first day off is spent sleeping or lazing around! Whats the difference if you are coming off a 48 hour shift? Still need sleep.

    I agree a busy department should not be on 48 hours just for the fact accidents will happen! The 24/24 shift would be more appropriate.

    As I stated before - shift work sucks and is damn hard on family life - Its just part of the job. Its a matter of how to make it feasable so that you are safe!

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    I am a rookie with the Albuquerque Fire Dept. We are on a 48/96 schedule. I love this schedule, but I don't have anything to compare it to besides jobs outside the fire dept. I float around, so sometimes I am at busy stations and other times at slow stations. It is nice driving to work once a week. This schedule enables you to take extended vacations fairly easily. Take one cycle off and you have 10 days off. Get a couple of trade-a-shifts and you have 16 days off. Even at busy stations (35-45 calls per cycle), you still have down time to catch up on rest. I believe the dept switched to this schedule about 4-5 years ago. Most of the guys love this schedule compared to the old one. It allows them to have a side job as well and be with their family 4 days straight. Good luck on your decision.

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    Default Ugh...

    Originally posted by boomwak
    you could go federal and work 24/24 for a 72 hr week!!!
    Been there, done that. Never again. No thanks.

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    Default Yo...

    Originally posted by prov345
    I am a rookie with the Albuquerque Fire Dept.
    Yo...I have a friend at AFD and would like to get in touch
    with them. Can you please PM or give me your email?

    Thanks, Bou

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    Right now my dept works 24hrs, off 24hrs, works 24hrs, off 24hrs, works 24 hrs, off 96 hrs. Nobody likes it. This 48/96 sounds great to me, but the majority of my dept is afraid to give it a try. Any suggestions to help sell this schedule to my dept.

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    My department just switched over to the 48/96 on the 13th of this month.The department as a whole had to vote on the change and about 75% voted for it. After a few shifts the number in favor are dwindeling fast. We are a slow department with 72 firefighters and 3 stations so the advantages CALFFBOU brings up are an advantage for us. Checking out the rigs once, cleaning the station once, it all looks good on paper but I also have 3 boys at home and a wife that works. Leaving those boys for 48 hours sucks. I feel sorry for my wife and appologize for this when I leave at 5:30 in the morning. My station is 50 miles out of town so we can't go to the grocery store and get our meals everyday so we each end up packing enough food for 3 days in case we get nailed on an overtime. We also have to pack enough cloths for the three days. I have 5 in my car pool so I only have to drive once a month which is nice. But now I have to leave my truck at the car pool parking area for two days in this subzero weather. Also when I got nailed with an overtime on the 56 hour schedule I usually had my crew returning the next day so I could get a lift to my truck. Now I have to con someone on another shift to go out of thier way to get me back to my ride.
    So far I have to saw for my department this **** bites! I have worked the 72 and the 56 and to tell you the truth as bad as the 72 was I would rather have it than this 48/96.

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