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    For basement fires, why couldnt you just take a 5 inch supply line, stick it in the window and flood the basement? You wouldnt have to send firefighters into a very dangerous enviroment, and the fire would go out quick.

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    If the celing / floor catches fire, you probaly wont touch it with water, it would all flow out the egress windows before it touches it. Plus in todays world firfighting is about preserving the structure, not destroying it.
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    Originally posted by firekid1234
    For basement fires, why couldnt you just take a 5 inch supply line, stick it in the window and flood the basement? You wouldnt have to send firefighters into a very dangerous enviroment, and the fire would go out quick.
    yup...that is crazy
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    Aside from the fact that your water cannot get to the fire in the ceiling before it spills out various openings.....

    In very cold weather climates in Winter, assuming the furnace or breaker panel is in the basement as usual, you would destroy the structure's ability to heat itself. You then either have to pump out the water (I don't want loose flotsam being sucked into my pump and I don't want to have to keep pulling laundry and papers off the strainer), or else the water freezes solid and destroys the foundation, which pretty much destroys the house beyond repair and might even collapse it in an extreme situation. What have you saved? If the situation is untenable, no one is going in and the results will be the same, but if it is deemed safe, crews go in and try to save the house instead of guaranteeing its destruction by flooding the basement. If the house is made unsafe structurally with the flooding method, you can't salvage much out of it anyway before it is torn down.

    But ideas are good, don't be discouraged from asking. In EXACTLY the right circumstances, I might consider this approach. What IS done from time to time by departments so equipped is to pump high expansion foam into the basement to smother the fire.... it has much less total volume and is somewhat capable of going up into recesses without all spilling out the door, so to speak.

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    Default William Thomas Franklin ...............sure is crazy

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    Default Re: A crazy idea...

    Originally posted by firekid1234
    For basement fires, why couldnt you just take a 5 inch supply line, stick it in the window and flood the basement? You wouldnt have to send firefighters into a very dangerous enviroment, and the fire would go out quick.
    So, what led you to this crazy idea?

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    Basement............what's a basement?
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    I had a dream once that we pulled up to a basement fire and backed the tanker up to the front door and let 'er rip.

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    We did that with a car after using it for a car fire drill. Backed up the tanker to the side window of the car and opened the dump valve. If anything in there was still smoldering, it was out after that

    But for a basement, unless it is the basement of a shed, this would not be the method of choice.
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    Originally posted by arhaney
    Basement............what's a basement?
    You know, I was wondering that as well.
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    Hope you have enough water.

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    Dont forget to call that second alarm backhoe.
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    Besides several other mentioned reasons, you would be suprised how long it would take to get that much water in. It could also push out the foundation. It would also push the heat smoke and fire up into the first floor. But keep asking questions.

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    The second alarm backhoe sounded pretty cool...

    It's all in fun firekid1234, so seriously ... keep asking questions.
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    We actualy used a back hoe at a commercial structure fire
    oe night. The old Chevy place was converted into many little
    antique stores. The city crew had a backhoe parked in the street
    2 doors down. we needed to open and "expand" the old roll up
    door opening they had converted into a single door. Talk about
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    Talking A BASEMENT is??????

    Originally posted by arhaney
    Basement............what's a basement?
    A basement to you guys is probably a storm cellar. Basement to us comprises of concrete walls that make up the foundation to witch the house sits. Usually the same square footage as the upstairs. Basements are usually not developed when you buy the house (although plumbing is roughed in for a bathroom)- but are usually developed by the owner as living space. Hence when they have put the wiring and drywall in (up to code...HA HA HA HA)we have basement fires. The basement usually houses the furnace or boiler and electrical panel. Water main enters the house, etc.

    When a basement is complete it is basicaly a second story to your house or sub level. Example would be my house is a bungalow 1280sqft, 3 bedrooms up living room, kitchen, bathrooms (2), downstairs in the basement 780 sqft workout room, office space, bedroom, bathroom, and utility room (washer dryer).

    Hope that helps
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    Default Basement fires...

    ..can still make me a bit nervous,even to this day. Most of ours do not have an outside entrance/exit so you need to get down the interior stairs FAST.
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    I wonder why basements aren't popular in our part of the world, probably not over 2 in our whole community! (gee, I know what a basement is)
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    Originally posted by arhaney
    I wonder why basements aren't popular in our part of the world, probably not over 2 in our whole community! (gee, I know what a basement is)
    Basements aren't popular around here because due to the water table you wouldn't have to pump water in, you'd already have plenty from groundwater seepage, LOL

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    LOL I men this in complete fun..LOL Trailers dont usually have basements! LMAO Sorry - day off and beer has taken over!!

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    I've got a buddy over in north Alabama who built his new house with a basement, I think that he put 3 or 4 coats of a sealer to prevent leakage. But just think, you could have an indoor swimming pool!
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    Originally posted by Dave404
    LOL I men this in complete fun..LOL Trailers dont usually have basements! LMAO Sorry - day off and beer has taken over!!

    Who says? I live in a double-wide, and the part underneath the skirting covers is the "basement" LOL....no offense taken, and Merry Christmas!

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    Dave404, KnightnPBIArmor, How cold is it in your part of the world today? (gee, I bet Dave404 wins this one) We are expecting a high of about 28 and a low tonight of 10.........wish I had a nice warm basement to hibernate in!
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    arhaney, right at the moment it's in the low 50's with light rain, and it's supposed to drop into the 30's tonight.

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    Weather right now is delightful - 46 Fahrenheight right now (8 celcius) supposed to become frightful on sunday -10 fahrenheight and then back up into warmer numbers - weird part of the country I live!

    Basements can be really warm - helped my buddy install a wood burning stove in his basement - gas furnace hasnt kicked on once so far - probably saves him $80.00 a month!

    Warm house, smiling family, cold beer - ahhh must be christmas!

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