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    Default Firetrucks Collide - 3 Firefighters Critical

    NEWARK, Ohio -- Three firefighters were critically injured Saturday after two firetrucks collided at a downtown Newark intersection.

    NBC 4's Erin Tate reported that the crash occurred at about 2:30 p.m. at the corner of Church and Fifth streets.

    The trucks were heading to a call that later turned to be a false alarm, Tate reported.

    The three firefighters were airlifted to local hospitals. There was no word of their names or conditions.

    Witnesses said that they saw one of the firefighters go through a truck's windshield.


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    My thoughts and prayers go out to all the brothers and sisters and their families in Newark.........
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    Our prayers go out to those involved and all the family members.
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    Best wishes for a full recovery for all 3 brothers.
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    thats not that far away from here ...........I hope all make a speedy recovery.
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    Here's some additional info from Channel 10 Columbus.

    "A false alarm fire call in Newark on Christmas Day turned into a real traffic accident. A fire engine and a rescue squad collided at North Fifth and West Church Streets on their way to a reported house fire. When one vehicle hit the other, both were sent spinning.

    Three firefighters on Newark Engine 3 from the central fire station were taken to Licking Memorial Hospital, then treated and released.
    Captain Tom O’Brien, a front passenger in Newark Rescue 1, was also treated at Licking Memorial and released.

    Two others on board Rescue 1 were taken by a MedFlight helicopter to Grant Medical Center in Columbus for treatment. No word was available Saturday night regarding the injuries sustained by Kyle Bookless and John Kollar."

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    Default Update: 1 FF Serious and Another Still Hospitalized

    Here's the latest report from the Newark Advocate. It appears everyone will be alright.

    http://www.newarkadvocate.com/news/s...s/1790278.html

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    My thoughts are with the Newark Fire Department and the families of the injured firefighters. What a relief they are all going to be ok.
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    Default Re: Firetrucks Collide - 3 Firefighters Critical

    Originally posted by HM604OH

    Witnesses said that they saw one of the firefighters go through a truck's windshield.
    From the looks of the pictures in the news article, it appears that this could have happened. Both rigs look relatively new, so what are the lessons to be learned here?

    While my heart goes out to our Brothers in Newark, we need to find something good in this. How many of you ride in trucks with the seat belts tucked way or have them buckled behind you to silence the seat alarms? It is also a sad reminder to those in the winter regions to slow down and to make extra sure you have a clear intersection before you proceed through it.

    I know I am preaching at the choir, but if we are not going to practice safe driving habits, how can we lecture the general public about their driving habits?
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    Man you can't even wait until the investigation is done? Give it a rest till you actually know what happen.

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    Originally posted by Rigin1
    Man you can't even wait until the investigation is done? Give it a rest till you actually know what happen.

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    Why wait until the tickets are written? I work full time as a cop, so I can tell you right now, SOMEONE was, at the very least, driving too fast for conditions. Like it or not, this was a "crash" and not an "accident". Now, as I said, from looking at the pictures, it appears that all windshields were broken out. Knowing the dynamics of a "big rig" collision, it is extremely likely that someone went out one of those openings if they were not wearing a safety belt. So, if a witness says it appeared someone went through the windshield, it is a pretty safe bet that someone did.

    So, rather than sit around wringing our hands and waiting for a completed investigation report, why don't we concentrate on not letting this happen again.
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    Oh sorry didn't realize you were a full time cop...that makes a huge difference. Please wave to the rest of us from your glass house. As for me I'll wait till I actually hear from the people on scene rather then some arm chair quarterback on a message board. While I wring my hands I'll say a prayer for those invovled.

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    My thoughts and prayers to the injured brothers and also thier families. I hope they have a full and complete recovery.

    One thing that bothers me though is that this type of accident could happen.
    In my area when there are multiple responses we have to announce our approach to an intersection over the radio. Just because of the fact that you may not hear another apparatus' siren or be able to see them due to blind spots.

    This will be interesting once all the facts come out.
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    So, rather than sit around wringing our hands and waiting for a completed investigation report, why don't we concentrate on not letting this happen again.
    None of us were there... and we could "quarterback" this thing to death. Let us pray for the quick recovery of the injured brothers.

    I do not know what happened and I will not attempt to perceive as to what happened... yet. All of this will come out in good time. Right now is not that time.
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    Hello,

    Trafficjockey93 said

    In my area when there are multiple responses we have to announce our approach to an intersection over the radio


    We used to do this then 2 trucks nearly collided after they both announced there location at an intersection...... The problem was they both did it at the same time and neither one heard the other. If it wasn't for a member in his pov at the same intersection listening and realizing they may hit each other so he got out of his vehicle and started waving down one truck.

    The problem with that procedure is that the operators get complacent about watching the intersection properly and thinking not a problem we've announced ourselves. Your better served by treating the intersection as if there is someone there and being prepared to stop if needed.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Default Re: Firetrucks Collide - 3 Firefighters Critical

    Originally posted by HM604OH
    Witnesses said that they saw one of the firefighters go through a truck's windshield.
    My prayers go out to the injured firefighters and their loved ones. But I gotta side with MetalMedic - if one of the firefighters was thrown through the windshield it indicates that a seat belt was not in use.

    We bury 10 to 15 firefighters every year because they do not wear a seatbelt while responding to or returning from emergencies.

    NIOSH did a ten year retrospective analysis where they had incidents where the belted firefighter was attending the unbelted firefighter's funeral.

    Every couple of months someone posts on Firehouse.com about the problem of donning gear while responding to a structure fire. We gotta sit down, buckle-up, and finish donning gear once we are at the scene.

    We need to continue to repeat this message because incidents like this that indicate seatbelts are still not in use.


    I had written a "quick drill" for my department after reading a NIOSH report about a fire officer who died of blunt force trauma after flying through the front windshield when his pumper was t-boned at an intersection. They were responding to a chest pain call at a medical clinic.

    Before the drill was issued, a ladder truck officer from a very large city department died when he was thrown through the side window when his rig was struck by a landscape truck running a 4-way stop sign intersection.

    I am sure the final report for Newark will show icy roads as a contributing factor of the crash. But an unbelted firefighter becomes an unguided missle when the awful occurs.

    Recently spoke with a firefighter who was on a rig that wrecked on a late night interstate run. There was a report of multiple crashes on a freezing cold night after a brief flurry of snow.

    As the rig approached the accident scene, he removed his seatbelt. When the engine retarder (Jake Brake) kicked in, the rig suddenly started to spin on black ice, ending up driver's side down and off the road. During this spin, the unbelted firefighter fell onto the driver - breaking the driver's arm. The firefighter received a spinal fracture and concussion.

    We all gotta work smart, part of that is pointing out obvious opportunities to do better.

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    Default Re: Re: Firetrucks Collide - 3 Firefighters Critical

    Originally posted by MikeWard
    My prayers go out to the injured firefighters and their loved ones. But I gotta side with MetalMedic - if one of the firefighters was thrown through the windshield it indicates that a seat belt was not in use.
    Ditto. if MetalMedic didn't say it, I was going to.

    Furthermore, whatever happened to stopping at an intersection, looking both ways, then proceding only if the road was clear? isn't that what EVOC teaches? no blowing through red lights at 40mph? This wasn't an accident, it was a crash. an accident implies this wasn't preventable. I would wager a weeks salary that this could have been avoided

    my heart goes out to the newark firefighters, and I pray they all have a speedy recovery.
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    I guess it is Monday morning so here comes the holier then thou quarterbacks. Dr. No offense but you have no clue what happen or if they were doing 10 mph and not 40. So maybe you should get the facts before you start telling people what they did wrong.

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    Default Re: Re: Re: Firetrucks Collide - 3 Firefighters Critical

    Originally posted by DrParasite
    Ditto. if MetalMedic didn't say it, I was going to.

    Furthermore, whatever happened to stopping at an intersection, looking both ways, then proceding only if the road was clear? isn't that what EVOC teaches? no blowing through red lights at 40mph? This wasn't an accident, it was a crash. an accident implies this wasn't preventable. I would wager a weeks salary that this could have been avoided

    my heart goes out to the newark firefighters, and I pray they all have a speedy recovery.
    Be advised, I work on the east side of Columbus, about 30 miles west of newark, and On wednesday/thursday night between 12"-15" of snow, followed by 3-4" of ice fell on the city. The entire area was under a level 2 or 3 snow emergency, and fire/ems companies were running ragged. I cannot speak for how busy newark was, but our engine company took 22 runs between 0700-2200, on top of cutting trees out of the roadway between runs.

    We all have our own opinions as to what we/they should have done, but until they are home and back to work, lets try and think about them and their families rather than what they may have done wrong.

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    Question Question for someone near Newark

    I talked with my brother last night. He lives in Newark and his business is two blocks from the accident scene. He indicated to me that both units came from the same station. I told him I didn't think that was possible. He assures me I am wrong.

    Anyone know for sure?

    My wishes for a speedy recovery for the injured brothers.

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