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    the east bend vol. fire departemnt in north carolina just recived a iso class 5 rural water supply grade for a 1 mile hose lay that produced 725 gpm with 8 personal and no mutal aid good job guys

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    how many trucks?

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    What size hose?

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    WOW, and we can barley get 1000' of 5" on our engine. That must be some rig

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    That's where you call mutual aid to RE-PACK that mile of LDH.
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    Wouldn't happen to be a TurboDraft salesman now would we?
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    we used 5 trucks

    3 engines
    1 service company
    1 hose truck

    5 inch hose

    and no i do not sale turbodrafts but we own 5 of them they work great if it was not for turbodraft we could have not done what we done

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    Exclamation It takes more than water!

    If you only used eight people who was fighting the fire?

    Seems to me it takes two to stretch the line, two to back them up, someone to run the pump, a white hat to control the scene and we haven't even started any truck work. I'll guess you are short handed so I'll only allow two for truck work. This means you have eight fighting the fire and eight engaged in water supply for a total of 16.

    In my neck of the woods, I have never seen ISO show up at a fire. Also there is no difference between a five and a six for John Doe taxpayer.

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    I am not sure they were at a fire. When ISO came to test us we had to do certain "drills" for them, i.e. get water from a dry hydrant in a certain amount of time.

    In this case, I am sure they had to prove they could achive a certain requirement with a certain number of guys, in this case 8.

    I Say, Congrats!

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    I've learned alot from the "been there" "done that" guys here at my Department!

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    However at least 1/2 of them are repeating gossip they heard 5th hand. About ideas/issues with which they have had no 1st hand experience, or while in a leadership experience. A lot of privates thought marching into Bastone 60 years ago was crazy.

    Anyone that can not stand being evaluated hates ISO. Some folks are satisfied when their kids bring home Cs and Ds on their report cards. However ISO ratings set the insurance bill for homeowners, and more importantly, for businesses. Guess who pays for these BRTs. Further ISO is a pretty logical evaluation system, evaluated many of the important issues in determining the ability of FD readiness to do their job. Don't like ISO, post the evaluation system you use.

    Good for you guys for having the backbone for long lay hose and to work on improving your ISO rating. Go to your local jailer for donation of labor in picking it up. Now, increase pump size so you can move 1000gpm.

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    Originally posted by turbodraft1
    we used 5 trucks

    3 engines
    1 service company
    1 hose truck

    5 inch hose

    and no i do not sale turbodrafts but we own 5 of them they work great if it was not for turbodraft we could have not done what we done
    Were you running tanker shuttle parallel to the hose?

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    evaluated many of the important issues in determining the ability of FD readiness to do their job
    Yes, the number of cellar nozzles, hose burst jackets and hose clamps really determine our readiness.

    If ISO is so great, why do so many states no longer use it?
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    While very respectable, what was the limiting factors on the GPM moved? A single 1500gpm pump on relatively flat ground should be able to do about 33% better (1000gpm range). Two or Three 1000gpm pumpers likewise would divide up the load and deliver 1000gpm via relay.

    Size of pumps at draft?

    High lift height?

    Dry hydrant limitations?

    Long suction lines?

    Decent elevation increase to the discharge point?

    Where relay pumps in use?

    *cough* turbodraft being the bottleneck? (Great devices when hard suction won't reach though. Some water is better than none...and what they achieve 20 years ago we would've been happy campers with!)
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    we did not use tanker shuttle with this lay it was a about a 100 ft lay to the pound we used with about a 25 ft lift we used a 1000 gpm pump at the draft site could proably do a little more with larger pump. may need to look at dual lays in some areas .

    and just for some people information im sorry but if you think iso does not make you better you are really wrong.

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    and just for some people information im sorry but if you think iso does not make you better you are really wrong.
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    Originally posted by Bones42
    Yes, the number of cellar nozzles, hose burst jackets and hose clamps really determine our readiness.

    If ISO is so great, why do so many states no longer use it?

    who does not use iso now?

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    You can do better.We have 4" and with equipment we carry (relay or Z valves)we can deliver 1000 Gpm at a mile.And we have NO Turbodrafts.In the spring we will be working to lower the outskirts on town to a 4,same as downtown.And Nieowa,it doesn't require a run along shuttle.With 5" and relay valves you should be able to deliver close to 1500+ if you got pump enough to do it.We delivered 600+ with just a tanker shuttle.And not a real big one at that.The key is co-ordination and practice.Then when you get the real deal you're ready. T.C.

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    turbodraft1, I'd have to do a search of these forums to see the many people on here who state that ISO ratings are not used in their areas.

    We are due for a re-rating of our town by ISO this year, so I'm pretty familiar with the process as this will be my second time through. Here are a few reasons why I think ISO is not really effective at rating a department's effectiveness. Salvage covers, while it's important to cover household belongings to prevent water damage, they will have zero effect on putting a fire out. They "may" help prevent further damage. Burst hose jacket. Yup, that makes me effective. Smoke ejector - fairly usefull at a fire, but "equivalent" equipment is a TIC! Yup, can really vent a room well with a TIC. Oxyacetylene cutting unit - another item that a TIC is "equivalent" equipment. Then we can move on to staffing. A paid department nearby runs 1 engine and 1 truck with 3 on the engine and 2 on the truck. I run volunteer with first 2 engines having 5-7 guys and first truck with 4. That's more people on scene, close to same time (about 2 minutes difference) but don't get same credit because we aren't staffing the building. If I lowered my ISO rating from 4 to 1, the savings would not justify staffing the department so what benefit is there?

    Question for you...does your ISO rating change if you knock a room and contents fire down with 1 handline in 2 minutes or if it takes you 6 handlines and 3 hours? Nope. Does your ISO rating change if you can move 100 gpm 5000' or 1000gpm 5000'? Yup. Which is actually effectively fighting the fire.

    I honestly do congratulate you on moving the water the way you did. I do know there are areas where this needs to be done and you should be congratulated for doing it well.

    By the way, ISO is headquartered in NJ and not even all of NJ insurance companies use ISO ratings. They are just a for-profit company. From their own website...."ISO is an advisory organization, and insurers may use our information, modify it, or not use it, as they see fit."
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    100 ft lay to the pound we used with about a 25 ft lift we used a 1000 gpm pump

    100' pump to the draft, 25' lift explains the 750gpm range.

    2 TurboDrafts I assume???

    Wonder what size piping you'd use for a dry hydrant that distance (8"?). I'm not a big d.h. fan -- have a decent driveway/spot that the Town plows so you can just drive up and drop suction, maybe use a chainsaw to cut ice in winter.
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    good points i would love to be able to get close enough to all of these spots but some place it is not feasble to do that with our budget turbodrafts where the best bet we only use 1 i know the numbers are higher than the book but we seem to be getting better numbers than the book on all our test

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    i understand what you are saying i know some of the things iso wants a not i think they should be wanting but thats just the way they look at it i just know that when you take a all vol. fire department and do the best to iso standards that you can that it is better than doing nothing and it is the only way i know of to save the tax payer and there comes a point when thats all a fire department can really do besides our normal day to day operations .ithink if you look at what iso wants and put it together with you needs it helps you prepare to fight the bigones.

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