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    Whats the feeling out there? Are the NHL and NHLPA going to get this thing fixed or are we in for a long, cold, empty winter?

    Come on guys, get it done...PLEASE

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    I think we are done dude............
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    I think hockey is done for this year.

    For entertainment, please amuse yourself and others on the threads:
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    We've gotta keep active, ya know

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    Hubby and I broke down and signed up for the Center Ice package through Adelphia last year and we saw 30 games a week. We are suffering severe withdrawal!

    Mr. Husband has played in men's leagues around town and has been on the ice about 30 years, starting in Jr. High. I came late to the party and didn't become a fan until after we were married, some 15 years ago. Now I'm a diehard fan and love the Red Wings, the Devils and the Flames. I even got a Brendan Shanahan CCM jersey for my birthday last year. I also loved playing Fantasy Hockey on Yahoo! the last few years. It was a lot of fun and I really miss it.

    This lockout, according to Mr. Husband, is probably not going to end in time for there to be a season this Spring and may not even be resolved by next Fall (gulp!). Sure hope that's wrong, but it looks like he may be right.

    Oh, well; it gives me more time to work on the FF book....

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    Let me preface this by saying that I am a diehard Rangers fan-Potvin Sucks. I bleed red, white and blue.

    I posted in another thread that this strikce may be the death of the NHL as we know it. The teams are insured-this year. They are a business. When a business has no income, it cannot operate.

    The players are getting a strike stipend from the NHLPA-this year. They are professionals and need to work to bread on the table. Many of them have found work elsewhere. Some will never come back.

    Bettman has taken a hard line. The NHLPA has taken a hard line. There is no room for compromise at this time because the sides are diametrically opposed. Methinks that Bettman's goal is to break the union.

    What I see happening is for the teams to termiinate all contracts and cut the players loose. They will then try to rebuild the league using junior, international and IHL players. It will take awhile. I guess the stars could come craeling back.

    But I think the NHL as we have known it is gone forever.

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    You and Mr. Husband agree on this one, George.

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    I think that plenty of people think that this season is done for...and it's a bummer I agree; but here's another question. Do you really agree with why the players went on strike in the first place?

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    They didn't go on strike, the owner's locked them out.
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    First, the players didn't go on strike, they were locked out.

    That being said, I think most people, particularly those in Canada are supporting the owners. The belief is that ticket prices are solely controlled by salaries.

    At issue is the salary cap and most people believe that a salary cap would make for a more level playing field. The NFL experience would in fact support that belief. Most fans are tired of the Detroit Red Wings approach, sell enough pizzas and buy all the stars. This however is just one problem plagueing the NHL.

    Many people watching the game today believe that we need to look at many ways to fix the game. The World Junior Tournament has once again drsawn attention to rule changes to improve the game. Getting rid of the centre line is a start.

    Will the game survive? I believe it will.

    Will the game survive without scars? I doubt it.

    The bottom line is that, hockey as we know it will certainly change. If at the end of the day, cheque book recruiting is gone, then it will have been worth it. If there is no cap, the the pizza folks in Detroit win and then as I see it, the game I grew up playing and watching, is doomed.

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    Potvin Sucks
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    Yeah....I'd say were done...
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    Originally posted by manofire2
    First, the players didn't go on strike, they were locked out.

    That being said, I think most people, particularly those in Canada are supporting the owners. The belief is that ticket prices are solely controlled by salaries.

    At issue is the salary cap and most people believe that a salary cap would make for a more level playing field. The NFL experience would in fact support that belief. Most fans are tired of the Detroit Red Wings approach, sell enough pizzas and buy all the stars. This however is just one problem plagueing the NHL.

    Many people watching the game today believe that we need to look at many ways to fix the game. The World Junior Tournament has once again drsawn attention to rule changes to improve the game. Getting rid of the centre line is a start.

    Will the game survive? I believe it will.

    Will the game survive without scars? I doubt it.

    The bottom line is that, hockey as we know it will certainly change. If at the end of the day, cheque book recruiting is gone, then it will have been worth it. If there is no cap, the the pizza folks in Detroit win and then as I see it, the game I grew up playing and watching, is doomed.
    I hope you're wrong

    One thing that hasn't been reported in the news and I haven't had time to go looking for it ... has there been an actual dollar figure mentioned for the salary cap?

    I don't see much hope for a season this year, not when the two sides don't even talk to each other. This ****es me off even more now that my beloved Flames finally got their S**T together. I'll be choked if there is no hockey next year. *whimper* *sob* *sniffle* *sigh*
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    I just got some good news...they may stike a deal by the Feb 1 deadline....that's enough time for a 30 game season....
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    Don't tease us like that, Vinnie!
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    Thank god I live in Canada...We got plenty of good hockey....CHL is top notch with all the up and coming stars...All the Junior leagues..Hell even Midget AAA is entertaining...So I say to hell with the NHL
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    We have taken our hockey enthusiasm to a different arena. On Wed, we went to the Prince Albert FF VS Legendary (NHL ret'd) Hockey Heroes.
    Proceeds went to the local Pediatric Exam room in the local hospital.
    It was a good way to combine two interests.

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    From the New York Times:
    No Talks and Little for Board to Discuss
    By JOE LAPOINTE

    Published: January 7, 2005


    The National Hockey League owners have not negotiated with their locked-out players union since Dec. 14. Now it appears that they will not even talk among themselves, at least not formally, for the foreseeable future.

    The meeting of the board of governors scheduled for next Friday in New York was canceled with little explanation yesterday. Bill Daly, the league's executive vice president and chief legal officer, announced the decision in a memorandum to all 30 teams and later elaborated on the reasons.

    "We spoke with each of the 30 clubs over the last two days and apprised them of the status of the situation and specifically the lack of any new developments," Daly wrote in an e-mail reply to written questions. "And the clubs were unanimous in their view that there was no reason to go forward with a meeting."

    The meeting had been scheduled, he said, after two negotiating sessions in December led to some progress in collective bargaining. "It certainly was our hope - if not our expectation - that some additional progress would have been made and perhaps a new offer would have been delivered by the union," Daly wrote. "That hasn't happened."

    Ted Saskin, senior director of the N.H.L. Players Association, issued a statement last night that said the league had not made "one bona-fide proposal that could work for both sides," and that it was up to the league to make the next offer.

    "Collective-bargaining negotiations should involve reasonable attempts by both parties to find middle ground," Saskin said. "To date, the N.H.L. has not given us any signal that they're prepared to negotiate a compromise."

    In the two meetings between the league and the players association in Toronto last month, each side rejected the most recent proposal from the other. On Dec. 9, the players association proposed a 24 percent cut in wages, a luxury tax on high-spending teams and other concessions to end a lockout that began on Sept. 15, before the start of training camps.

    The league responded on Dec. 14, saying that the wage reduction was a good start, but that the owners demanded further concessions, including the elimination of salary arbitration and a guarantee that players would receive about 54 percent of team revenue.

    Daly said the teams remained "entirely unified on both our objectives in collective bargaining and the strategy being employed" and reaffirmed that the league would not set a "drop-dead date" to cancel the season. The N.H.L. wants to reduce the average player salary to about $1.3 million from $1.83 million. The union said cost certainty is another term for a salary cap, an issue it will not negotiate.

    The league has said it lost about $500 million on operations in the past two seasons. The union has expressed doubt about the league figures. No new talks have been scheduled.

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    A look at the NHL lockout through Tuesday, Jan. 11:

    TOTAL DAYS OF LOCKOUT: 118.

    TOTAL DAYS OF SEASON MISSED: 91.

    GAMES LOST TUESDAY: 8.

    TOTAL GAMES MISSED: 605 regular-season games plus the 2005
    All-Star game.

    NEGOTIATIONS: The NHL rejected a players' association proposal
    and had its own counteroffer turned down during a 3Ĺ-hour session
    on Dec. 14. No new talks are scheduled.

    TUESDAY'S BEST CANCELED GAME: Dallas at Calgary. The Stars were
    to travel to Canada to face the Western Conference champions, who
    lost all four games last season to Dallas - including one in
    overtime.

    ICE CHIP: While Calgary was making its surprising run to the
    finals, Dallas bowed out of the playoffs in the first round -
    losing to Colorado in five games. The Stars and Flames m once in
    the postseason and Calgary got the upper hand by winning the
    semifinal series in 1981. That was the first season the Flames
    played in Canada after moving from Atlanta.
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    *sob* *sniffle* WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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    From espn.com


    Saturday, January 15, 2005

    ESPN.com news services
    According to a report in the Toronto Sun, there probably won't be any hockey this season -- and maybe next.

    Sources told Sun Media on Friday that NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow has told NHL players they should not only accept any current job offers in Europe immediately but also take any offers for next season because the lockout could drag on. Goodenow delivered the message via an audio message he posted on the union's private Web site, which only union members can access.

    "I don't think we'll be playing," Eric Lindros told the Sun. "There's no communication ... I don't think we'll be playing this season at all.

    "The bottom line for both sides is nobody should be worrying about public perception right now or who is right and who is wrong in all of this," he continued. "They should be putting their energy into trying to get a deal done. It's not going to matter who is winning the battle for public opinion if we don't get a deal done."

    A source told the Sun that the NHL will make an offer next week, but no one is optimistic.

    "I just don't think there's much reason for optimism with nothing happening right now," Lindros told the Sun. "We offered them the 24 percent (salary) rollback and I thought that was a very good offer. They didn't want it. We know that hockey is going to be back. But I can't tell you when and in what form."

    Kay Whitmore, a former NHL goalie, said players were galvanized by the league's rejection of the salary cut, but he wondered if the union can withstand a two-year work stoppage.

    "The only way someone is going to win is if both sides find a compromise, sit down right now and get a deal done," Whitmore told the Sun. "If that happens, then maybe both sides would truly be happy with what's happened. But the players' chances of winning don't improve the longer this goes. The deadline for the players to get their best deal is right now. I'm sure if this year is lost, it will be a bit of a shock."

    Kirk Muller, a 19-year NHL veteran, said the sides won't be able to reach an agreement until they can trust each other.

    "I'd be very surprised if there is any hockey this year," he said.

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