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    In the efforts of stimulating discussion, does anyone have any experience with cheaters or bite bars? If you have used one or the other I'd like to see your input pro's and cons alike. If you don't know what they are or are looking to tell me about how stupid people are for using them go away I am looking for first hand knowledge from people who have used them or continue to do so.

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    Cheater and Bite Bar were good for Roof,OVM, and Chauffer. I liked the bite bar better for some eye protection.

    CONS: Both the Cheater and Bite Bar can give you a false sense of security. If you loses conciseness your in trouble. Please don’t use them. I had a friend that used one and is no longer around.
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    Ray, could you explain these to me? I would ask jf, but he would just tell me to "go away".
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    My ex-wife was (is) a cheater... cost me $18K to get rid of her!
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    I brought this question up many months ago and many people either were totally miffed at what I was talking about or totally berated the thought. It seems like it could be a very useful tool especially if your working on a smoky roof or somewhere on the exterior if you just need a few hits of fresh air or while your leaning over making a cut. However like 35/40 stated I guess there are some situations where they can get you into trouble. I also believe that they are not allowed by some depts. Not to mention I would not even know where to begin looking for one.

    Mikey! As far as I can explain it, it is a a bar that is on the inside of the face piece that you bite on and hold to your face like that, this way you don't have to constantly put it on and take it off.

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    Originally posted by firefiftyfive
    I also believe that they are not allowed by some depts.
    They're not allowed by any department that actually wants to be in compliance with the OSHA Respiratory Protection Standard. Without a NIOSH approval, its not an approved respiratory protection device.

    Same goes for the biter bar. Unless its approved for use by the manufacturer and included in the NIOSH approval, modifications to a respirartor aren't allowed.
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    I don't think any dept condones the use, I know they are in use I see them in the field. I do not use one however I can see the advantage especially for the outside team especially for roof ops. One member recently got badly jammed up using one and nearly died. Dying could definitly be looked at as a disadvantage to using one.

    For those who don't know, the bite bar is inside the facepiece and is used to breath while not using the hair net on the mask. Cheaters come in different forms some used without the facepiece in place and others with it in place using a scuba type mouthpiece or other firefighter innovation. Firefighters have used these sucessfully and unsuccessfully for years I would just like to hear from them so as not to make a judgement on the unknown.

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    They were (are) useful in some situations. They were great on a smoky roof, or OV making a quick search, nasty food on the stove, overhauling etc..Like any other tool, you got to know how,when to use it. I know ALOT of people are gonna say HOW COULD YOU!! But I assure you it was a very useful tool. That being said, I no longer use it, for ONE reason, to many powers that be looking to make an example out of you if you get caught using it.

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    Anyone have any photos of the above?
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    Nice job saving those kids, why don't you have a collared shirt on?

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    I can understand the concept, although I've never seen one, much less used one. But a question...could you still even use one with the positive-pressure SCBA's we have today? I mean, you'd still have to turn on and off the regulator every time you used it, anyhow. I can see with the old demand-style packs, you could put it up to your face, breathe, take it off and the flow would shut down automatically. Today's packs, when you remove the mask the regulator is going to free-flow, so you'd still have to hit the doffing switch. You can't even get straight demand-style units anymore, can you?
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    Thank you. I am familiar with said device. They are used around here. Not by me.
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    Maybe I'm too young to have experienced this device, but am I hearing this correct... you hold the mask to your face with your teeth by biting on this bar attached to it? Umm, what if you sneeze?
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    A cheater looks like a scba mouth piece. They were adapted for the Scott regulator of the original 4.5 mask assemblies. FDNY truckies had them since the 70's.
    A bite bar is a facepiece that adaptors to a Scott regulator with a bar in it to bite down on. The facepiece has no straps. They have been around since the early 80's.
    AGAIN PLEASE DON'T USE THEM.
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    Likewise about the cheater Matt. Never with the irons,always with the saw.

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