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    Yeah, 12% of the people need some more education.

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    I don't see a problem with the poll. All firefighters, especially ones operating inside of a structure should have a radio.


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    Originally posted by PFD109NFD107
    I don't see a problem with the poll. All firefighters, especially ones operating inside of a structure should have a radio.


    fire40man hit the nail on the head........
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    Originally posted by Fire40man
    Yeah, 12% of the people need some more education.
    The 12% need to get the hell out of the fire service!
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo


    The 12% need to get the hell out of the fire service!
    My thoughts exactly........
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo


    The 12% need to get the hell out of the fire service!
    LOL - that 12% probably all come from my local fire department, where the norm is that nobody takes a portable radio inside a stucture fire because it might get damaged

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    Hey Hey...........maybe the other 12% havent voted yet .......you should give them a minute....or maybe they are voting that way to sway the pool ...er poll.
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    Maybe that 12% are board members who don't want to spend the money. Everybody has a radio at our department, except the newbies, and they get one after about 3 months if they show that they can handle themselves.
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    Default Re: FH.com Poll regarding radios

    Originally posted by firenresq77
    Does anybody else find anything wrtong with the results??????

    Other than 12% still not getting it, nope. It looks fine to me.
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    LOL - that 12% probably all come from my local fire department, where the norm is that nobody takes a portable radio inside a stucture fire because it might get damaged

    I recently had this discussion with some of my guys, including the officers. While we don't have the resources to give every member a radio, we do have enough for all the officers and about half the firefighters. I am constantly reminding them that the radios are not just for reporting en route, that I expect them to carry them on the scene.

    After one recent structure fire, where I had trouble contacting the team working inside, I questioned the captain as to whether his radio was working, had he forgotten it, or what. He told me that no, he didn't forget it, he left it in his vehicle because he didn't think he was supposed to bring it in the fire, lest it get damaged. I don't think that he was alone in his thinking.

    Clearly we need to do some more training.

    In my opinion, I'd rather replace a hundred damaged radios than have one man hurt because he had no communications. We've been trying to get more radios, usually trying to purchase a couple a year, but it's a slow process.
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    I have worked in two different departments. Right now everyone has a radio. Although it is handy, some people don't get the idea that it isn't a personnel paging system. I am not talking about tring to get ahold of a member or officer for Fire department related issues. I talking about hey Billy Bob are you coming over tonight to watch the WWE. This does come from the other departments on the same radio band.
    But I was also on a department that issued pagers. Every officer and EMT had a radio. There was at least 2 radios on each truck for fire ground use. Currently the department I am on is having a hard time with getting the radios to work. We are thinking about going to pagers and each firefighter keeping the radios for fire ground use. That way everyone can hear whats going on with the call while going. Of course remeber both of these departments are Volunteer. I am sure that full time have more reasons tpo have them.

    I wonder how many of the 12% was more thinking about the number of people you spend their life on the radio even late into the night. Even though it would be more of a better radio policy and enforcing it, rather then not giving them.
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    On my dept not everyone has a radio yet. We just got a grant and the radios will be in soon, then everyone should have access to a radio. Will they remember to grab one, probably not at first. I don't like the 12% saying not everyone should have one. I agree with some of the other responses. That 12% must be the people on budget boards.
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    We have recently upgraded our radio system, and we changed the way we issue communications gear in the process.

    We used to have 15 radios (Mostly Motorola P1225's) and 5 old Keynote pagers. We shared a busy operating channel with our local utility operations, and some rookie FF's simply did not get a radio or pager, and rather relied on a telephone page. Now we have only 10 radios (HT 750's), but 15 pagers. This allows us to supply everyone other than Officers with a Mintor IV pager. The reasons for the change were partly budgetary, and partly operational. We really wanted to issue everyone a device to simplify and improve responses, but the money just wasn't there for 25 HT 750's, and we also had a problem of excessive radio traffic similar to what MacInnis was mentioning. This is why we chose more pagers.

    As I described in another thread, now each Officer carries a radio, and we place portable radios on the trucks based on the seating capacity. Our 5-man truck gets 3 portable radios, and our 3-man trucks gets 1. This works assuming the Operator is close to his vehicle and can use the headset and/or cab radio, and the Officer on that engine has his own. This ensures each initial attack FF has a radio.

    Additional responding personnel must either swap radios with teams exiting the hot zone, or scrounge extras from support operations. It is unlikely for us to see more than 15 FF's on a scene anyway, so it is not as big a problem as it might seem. We will strip extra radios from Exposure, Salvage, and Ventilation teams if required, as long as each team keeps one. Our goal is to ensure all interior FF's and the RIT have a radio, and the Accountability and Safety Officers ensure proper distribution.

    Over the next year or so I would like to see us purchase enough radios for every man on scene (as budget permits), but after seeing the reduction in radio abuse/forgotten radios/dead batteries, since our change, I am certain we will equip the trucks, and not the FF's.
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    Some radios are less costly than a pager and can be used as a pager. The problem at times is getting the FFs to rember they are not to be used as CBs.
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    I agree that every firefighter should have a radio at a building fire...the only downside is that there is too much chatter and feed back. Alot of new guys tend to be radio hogs cause they wanna hear themselves talkin on the radio.
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    Yes, and some radios that are less costly than a pager (like relm) are not suited for fireground use! I'm sorry guys but price is not the only factor here.
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    I certainly agree that EVERYONE operating on an emergency scene SHOULD have a radio. In many departments, the economic realities are such that you won't see it happen any time soon. As busy as we are, and with the resources that we have, my department still has not reached that goal. There are 2 Portables on every piece of apparatus, except Ambulances and Brush Trucks, along with the Mobile radio. Management recognizes that more are needed, but can't fund them, so members are allowed to purchase their own. The Radio of choice is the Motorola HT 1000, which works well on our frequencies (494-495 Mhz band). Til better funding is available, that's where we are.
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    I think (and I might be wrong) that the problem is with the question of the poll. Should All Firefighters Be Equiped With A Portable Radio? absolutely not. I live in another county from the department I am a member of. why should I have a radio that is assigned to me? or I live 7 minutes away from the other town I am a member of, should i get a radio? no, it doesn't make sense.

    now, if the question was should every firefighter operating at a fire scene be equiped with a portable radio, then my answer would be YES.

    neither of my departments equip every firefighter with a portable radio. however, on every piece of apparatus, there are an equal number of radios and seats on the apparatus, so each FF at an incident does have his/her own walkie.

    maybe some other FFs are reading the poll as I did the first time.
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    I've seen a couple people mention about the excessive "chatter" whether it be on a scene or people thinking it's a cb.

    This all come down to discipline. If you use the radio when you aren't supposed to, you get written up. It's that simple.

    On an incident, one person communicates to command. Nobody else. That person is usually the officer of the crew. The only time someone else uses the radio is if they are in trouble.......
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    I read the question as "should every firefighting position on the rig have a portable radio?" not "should every firefighter be issued a radio".
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    Originally posted by MEckert129
    I agree that every firefighter should have a radio at a building fire...the only downside is that there is too much chatter and feed back. Alot of new guys tend to be radio hogs cause they wanna hear themselves talkin on the radio.
    We used to have that problem but now, you dont speak until spoken to by either a sector officer or the IC. Except in an emergency of course

    We also dont issue radios except for staff officers, but we do have one per seat on each rig.

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    Well, looking at the question that way, I'd really rather see everyone issued their own radio if we could afford it. One reason, at least in my experience, is that the radios are better cared for when issued to an individual. Being an all-volunteer department, we'd have a problem with making sure that batteries were rotated, radios checked, etc. if they were kept on the trucks (not saying it can't be done, just something else to have to remember to do).

    In our department, since not everyone has a radio, you have to be there a while, probably a couple of years, before you are issued one (everyone has pagers). Therefore it's sort of a point of pride to be given one, so everyone takes pretty good care of them. At least that's been my experience.

    Also, the way we operate, it's an advantage to us to have individuals reporting en route with their own radios. Since you never know who or how many people will be responding, depending on time of day, etc., it's good for the officer to get an idea of how many people are responding, who's near the station to man the trucks, etc. It is a fair amount of chatter just after dispatch, with several people going en route, but most guys have enough discipline to shut up after that.
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