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    Please ask any specific question you may have about the LAFD right here in the forum. That way we can all benefit.

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    Talking Oh Boy............

    Another Wooden Ladder Thread????
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    Default Re: Oh Boy............

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    Another Wooden Ladder Thread????
    LOL - Hey Harve lighten up - we haven't had one of those for at least three weeks!
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    we haven't had one of those for at least three weeks!
    Aren't we about due for red vs. yellow vs. white fire truck argument too, oh yeah, it's been a while for a tactical tupperware vs. dead cow too.
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    Oh, and dont forget the ever popular "solid vs. fog" topic
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    Ahhh...the San Francisco Fire Department. One of the only true tradition based departments left on the Left Coast.

    Leather Helmets
    Long Coats
    3/4 Boots
    Wooden Ladders
    TILLER TRUCKS!
    Open Back Rescues!
    Multicolored Helmets to distinguish the REAL FIREMAN (Truckies)

    Man oh Man, if I lived out there I would take the paycut to work for those guys. The DCFD and the SFFD are about the only places I would change careers for.....
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    Default Ugh...

    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    Ahhh...the San Francisco Fire Department. One of the only true tradition based departments left on the Left Coast.

    Leather Helmets
    Long Coats
    3/4 Boots
    Wooden Ladders
    TILLER TRUCKS!
    Open Back Rescues!
    Multicolored Helmets to distinguish the REAL FIREMAN (Truckies)

    Man oh Man, if I lived out there I would take the paycut to work for those guys. The DCFD and the SFFD are about the only places I would change careers for.....
    Oh yeah, those 7 listed items listed are the only way to go.
    Any current day technology simply doesnt belong in the fire
    service. (Please throw out all of your TICs) I (Bou) ride
    a tiller truck with wooden ladders and it doesnt make a
    difference on how the fire goes out. I am no more the
    "big man" because of the vehicle and ladder type.

    Next, take a "pay cut" to work at SFFD? Not likely, pretty
    much everyone there is 100k a year and over.

    So glad you know so much about the California fire service.

    Lastly, One thing I have noticed in California, several of
    our "deep traditional" FDs keep making the newspapers in a
    negative light. Why is that? Its a mind set in "old skool".
    Time to wake up and move into the modern fire service.
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    Not likely, pretty much everyone there is 100K a year and over.
    A. You don't know what my current salary is.

    B. Figuring in the higher cost of living in California, $100,000 a year isn't all that much. Sheesh, out here where the C.O.L. is much lower, $100,000 a year isn't much.

    So glad you know so much about the California fire service
    Show me where I professed a wealth of knowledge about the California Fire Service please.
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    Call me biased biut I am rather fond of :

    BIG RED TILLERS

    the wooden ladders

    the Leather Helmets

    and last but not least, all the men and women of the SFFD who look after this city.



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    Default Oh yeah?

    Originally posted by TillerMan25


    A. You don't know what my current salary is.

    B. Figuring in the higher cost of living in California, $100,000 a year isn't all that much. Sheesh, out here where the C.O.L. is much lower, $100,000 a year isn't much.

    Show me where I professed a wealth of knowledge about the California Fire Service please.
    A. Since I track FF's saleries across the country, (source-
    firecareers.com job postings) the few Firefighters that I
    know making over $100k a year are in California and the Las
    Vegas, Nevada area. I havent seen you post that you live in
    either area.

    B. The cost of living in NOT high in every area of California.
    It is very possible to make over 100k a year and live in a
    different area. (My exact situation, by choice)

    And...Show you your "wealth of knowledge", you posting the
    "highlights" of the SFFD in a manner that those should be the
    standard. Thats where you give the impression.
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    Default CALFFBOU

    I would bet $100.00 that the Average home price in this area is lower than most areas of California. How much are you paying for a Gallon of Gas? How much is your electric bill?

    I have no wealth of knowledge about any Fire Departments in California other than the knowledge I get from people on these forums and by my own observations. I pointed out the things that I think make the San Francisco Fire Department a great department. My own opinion only, sorry if that bothers you. I know how passionate you are about the modernization of the fire service.
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    Sorry guys...didn't mean to start a war. I enjoy talking to folks from larger city fire departments, in order to form a dialog. I'm fascinated by both the "old school" and the new. Most of the time, I prefer to get the info "offline" via e-mail and not post on the forums because I like the candid answers that I get. It isn't my intent to have anyone air their dirty laundry. Even some department's problems and how they are handled interests me, just becuase it is a learning experience. All that aside, a little fun nudging back and forth is ok, but as long as it is good-natured

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    Default Re: Sorry

    Originally posted by phyrngn
    Sorry guys...didn't mean to start a war.
    You didn't start the "war." You merely suggested that you'd like to contact someone from LA Fire or SFFD.

    TillerMan25 and CALFFBOU...for some reason, got off topic and began a mild debate regarding certain departments. I hope they can keep it civil...right gentlemen?

    LAFDPSO...(Brian) is definitely the person to address your questions to. But he will only do it publicly on these forums. So, don't be shy...start a dialogue. From past encounters...I know he has a wealth of knowledge regarding LA Fire.

    His credentials:
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    As for you other two......is there a point to this "discussion"? Or is it about to get ugly?
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    I was just pointing out to the gentleman who started the thread some of the things that I think make the San Franciso Fire Department one of the most traditional departments in the Country. As far as the other guy, I have no idea what his beef is......have a good day!
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    Default Re: Ugh...

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU


    Oh yeah, those 7 listed items listed are the only way to go.
    Any current day technology simply doesnt belong in the fire
    service. (Please throw out all of your TICs) I (Bou) ride
    a tiller truck with wooden ladders and it doesnt make a
    difference on how the fire goes out. I am no more the
    "big man" because of the vehicle and ladder type.

    Next, take a "pay cut" to work at SFFD? Not likely, pretty
    much everyone there is 100k a year and over.

    So glad you know so much about the California fire service.

    Lastly, One thing I have noticed in California, several of
    our "deep traditional" FDs keep making the newspapers in a
    negative light. Why is that? Its a mind set in "old skool".
    Time to wake up and move into the modern fire service.

    ah good old bou....have to check you ONCE AGAIN!!

    The starting salary for a SFFD H-2 Firefighter is about 54,000 dollars. Not much when you consider that the median home price in the bay area is 680,000 dollars. Which will buy you a 2 bed 1 bath house in the suburbs....

    Hmmm....shall we bring up bad news stories about the progressive fire departments?? There are pleanty!! People are firemen are people etc....Not the time nor the place to bring up negative stories...

    to the other gentleman:

    Leather Helmets - Yes, still leather, but no longer issue them

    Long Coats and 3/4 Boots - not anymore. full bunker gear unfortunately

    Wooden Ladders - Yup, as most other surrounding depts have as well.

    TILLER TRUCKS! - yep DITTO

    Open Back Rescues! - Only Rescue 2 and the spare Rescue I believe

    Multicolored Helmets to distinguish the REAL FIREMAN (Truckies) - Yes, REd and white panels for trucks, as well as Black and White for Rescue, Black top white rim for Chiefs' Aides, blue for BFI, White for Chiefs

    There are a few of us Traditionals left out here:

    San Francisco, Oakland, Hayward

    But we are few and far between and getting squeezed out by the "moderns" as quickly as they can do it....


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    Default Re: Re: Ugh...

    Originally posted by OFD226



    ah good old bou....have to check you ONCE AGAIN!!

    The starting salary for a SFFD H-2 Firefighter is about 54,000 dollars. Not much when you consider that the median home price in the bay area is 680,000 dollars. Which will buy you a 2 bed 1 bath house in the suburbs....

    Hmmm....shall we bring up bad news stories about the progressive fire departments?? There are pleanty!! People are firemen are people etc....Not the time nor the place to bring up negative stories...
    Yup, here we go again.

    #1. I have nothing against the SFFD, so please dont take it
    that way.

    #2. OFD, Most SFFD guys are making big bucks. Here is the
    salery class for H-2. I was talking about the max, you were
    talking about entry level. H-2 PAY I do
    know my friends (FF/PM) thee are bring home a BASE SALERY
    of around 98k. KRON News reported a FF/PM was making 106k
    on worker comp. last year. I am not slamming him, thats
    just what the news said.

    #3. Bad stories about the progreessive FDs? Go ahead. I
    dont see anyting negative about LA County, Ventura County,
    Orange County, Las Vegas, Clark County or Phoenix in the
    newspapers lately. Please bring us up to speed.

    Here are all of the salaries for the SFFD ranks...

    All position saleries

    Again, having all of those item Tillerman stated doesnt make
    a FD better.

    Check, back to you 226.
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    I checked out that paysclae link. A FF/paramedic makes 85G Our top FF/medic makes about 55G, and we are about average for this area. Then again, 680G here would buy you a 3 bed/bath with pool on the water. So I guess it all evens out
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    you also have to take into account that they are paying 9 percent (maybe more now) of the salary for retirement. (We personally pay 13%) they have also agreed to freeze wages, and I believe pay some back for next year.

    i agree that it looks good on paper....but the take home not quite as nice.
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    I'm with ya Bro...I know where you came from, SQUUUAAAAD 8!

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