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    Question NIMS compliance

    So after reviewing the powerpoint presentation on the 2005 guidance I am curious as to what they mean with NIMS compliance? I know of NIMS, and have taken the IS700 course online, however if I read the implementation schedule it pertains to the state level first. Being from NY I have a suspiscion that NY may not be up to speed yet and being there is no guidance template for local gov't yet listed how do we become a NIMS department?

    Now I have also read that their are over 500 points or items that one must adhere to too become compliant, is this true? And if so what are they and where can I find them? So far I have taken the 700 course and reviewed the new definitions for NIMS but havn't seen much else.

    If anyone has info please help to inform me.

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    The 2005 guidance hasn't been posted yet. Where did you find a powerpoint presentation?
    Curious!!

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    It's on the firegrantsupport.com web site. I posted about it a couple of days ago. It holds most of the family jewels about the program.

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    What exactly is NIMS and how does a department become compliant?

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    Information on compliance with the National Incident Management System (NIMS) is located on the FEMA site in a PowerPoint presentation.

    http://www.fema.gov/pdf/nims/nims_co...ies_fy2005.pdf

    It's getting harder and harder for us volunteers to come up with the time to meet more and more requirements. Maybe the SAFER grants can replace us with paid personnel.

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    Information on NIMS is also available in a downloadable PDF file at www.fema.gov/nimcast. It is noted as a draft version but I suspect it will be very close to the end result. Lots of Q and A regarding your jurisdictions involvement in the ICS system as NIMS sees it.
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    Lightbulb NIMCAST

    Well since no one replied to my question for several days I went looking and low and behold they posted the NIMCAST on FEMA. So I downloaded it and four hours later and a headache I realized we need to pay the chief. Simply put it,s ICS on steroids and to become compliant means a number of SOP changes, training in the IS700 course for your members and strict adherence to the ICS program at all calls on the paperwork end. Now while I'm sure that paid departments have the manpower to produce the volumes of paperwork required, us professional vollies don't have that luxury. So if we can't come into compliance during the grant application or period, do we mark no or fib?

    Well anyways thanks for responding and good luck to all!

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    I'm not seeing anywhere in writing that we have to take all levels of the NIMS training online. Do we just take the IS700 or the higher levels too?

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    The subject came up at our grant workshop. We were told that ALL active members had to have NIMS training, that is the IS700 course, and pass the test. COMMAND STAFF must have Unified Command training. Don't know how far down the line Command Staff is, but I need to find out. This is before any department can receive funding.
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    Thanks Jack. Let me know what else you find out if you don't mind. I'd appreciate it.

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    You have until July 2006 to comply with and adopt NIMS.
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    Command staff I would venture to guess would be any officer expected to take command. Career departments, probably only to the ranking station officer (Captain most places I believe), but then again since LTs sometimes fill in, guess to be safe make it all officers. Volunteer? Heck, since I stepped down from being Captain I've been in the officer's seat of the truck more than not, and if they were actually burning I'd have been command on 6 scenes. Guess it would depend on your own SOPs and who can call command, or be part of the command staff.

    Looks like since 2006 is the cutoff, it won't really matter much for this year, all of the awards will have been given out. Odds are you'll need it to not violate the post-award rules, like keeping the budget items the same and whatnot.

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    I've been informed by a reliable person at IFSI that for FY 2005 grants, "command staff" needs to be trained in Unified Command. Command Staff is left up to the local dept. to determine who could be in charge of a scene. Those persons would need the training this year. ALL staff needs to have a certificate in IS700.
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    These are right from the 80 page NIMS Introduction (IS-700) It is a self study course with a final test that will get you a certificate from NFA/EMI for IS-700

    IS-700 Self Study Course


    [quote]On February 28, 2003, President Bush issued Homeland Security
    Presidential Directive–5. HSPD–5 directed the Secretary of Homeland
    Security to develop and administer a National Incident Management
    System. NIMS provides a consistent nationwide template to enable all
    government, private-sector, and nongovernmental organizations to work
    together during domestic incidents.
    What Is NIMS? NIMS is a comprehensive, national approach to incident management that is applicable at all jurisdictional levels and across functional disciplines.
    The intent of NIMS is to:
    > Be applicable across a full spectrum of potential incidents and
    hazard scenarios, regardless of size or complexity.
    > Improve coordination and cooperation between public and private
    entities in a variety of domestic incident management activities.
    NIMS Compliance HSPD-5 requires Federal departments and agencies to make the adoption of NIMS by State and local organizations a condition for Federal preparedness assistance (grants, contracts, and other activities) by FY 2005.
    Jurisdictions can comply in the short term by adopting the Incident Command System. Other aspects of NIMS require additional
    development and refinement to enable compliance at a future date.
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    been there done that and now waiting on my certificate from FEMA. suppose to be here within 7-to 10 business days. Anyone else took theirs and received the certificate?

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    Been to the "Unified Command" class today. Didn't learn much.
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    Originally posted by BC79er
    It's on the firegrantsupport.com web site. I posted about it a couple of days ago. It holds most of the family jewels about the program.
    I cant find it. It says the 2005 has not been published?
    Unless your talking about the "PowerPoint" workshop presentation? It has been released.
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    Unhappy More NIMS info

    Went to IFSI (Illinois Fire Service)winter fire school over the weekend for Unified Command. They said everyone on the dept must take (IS700) anyone that might be in charge at any time must take Unified Command. That includes the 8hr class, a table top drill class, and another test. On top of that your city fathers, public works people, law enforcement, and even your local school officals must also have Unified Command to complete the process. I also agree that when you get done with all the have to classes you don't have time for firefighter training.

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    What has anybody else gotten out of the Unified Command class? Our 8 hour class was over in 5 and it was basically just a review of ICS. I could have read the slides from the PPT and done just as good (or better). This is one IFSI class that I gave a poor review on.
    I understand the "public official" class is only 2 hours. I think the tabletop exercise is coming next year. No use rushing into this whole thing at one time.
    We did get this great 3 ring binder with "everything we ever wanted to know" in it.
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    We did get this great 3 ring binder with "everything we ever wanted to know" in it.
    Hey Jack - when you get a chance, can you look up how Ben Affleck is able to keep getting acting jobs AND bag Jennifer Garner? Enquiring minds want to know...

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    Where was the class you took, our class was 12hrs, 4hr for IS700 and 8hr for Unified Command. I thought our was very good, we even did a mock drill. I don't think I will use it very often but a good class.

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    I went to a class in So. IL. IS700 was already supposed to have been done before this, it was only Unified command. The instructor reminded us 4 times that he had a 4 hour drive home. We did an exercise, too, but I don't personally think the instructor we had pushed us to use UC the way it is supposed to be used. I may do it again just to see how it is really supposed to go.
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    I have found a pretty easy way to get everyone on my department IS-700 certified. It takes commitment from each person but it has been working so far. I printed the text material and am going to give to each member and all of us together are going to have one big class. After completion each member will take the test with the printed questions and then transfer their answers to FEMA via the website.

    It is the only way I could get my folks to agree to do it and this way I can sign of legit hours for actual training, FEMA gives them a certificate so it is legal training and they themselves are taking the test.

    I remember four years ago when all this grant fnding was comming around and it was called the (Pascral Act/Fire Act) everyone kept saying, "This is free money, this is fabulous!" Guess what, I bet they don't think it is free now!! With more money comes more strings.

    I don't know what small counties like mine are going to do. We have no tax base for fire suppression and there won't be one either due to fears of political suicide. Our county has 5,000 citizens which is small in comparison to most communities, but our little county depends on us and if we are not here I don't know what they are going to do. I fear that the small counties are being forced to the wayside by paper pushers in positions of authority that are just merely trying to justify their salaries and to retain job security.

    My folks like most "volunteered to volunteer" but soon I fear that there will nothing left to volunteer for!

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    Brian, my book says it must be his good looks and sweet disposition.
    Well that's 2 points in his favor over me, among others. Probably money as I'm a few million short of his bank account. Especially after he keeps winning poker tourneys. I guess I'm just jealous he got to be in a movie with the pumper (the real star of the movie) I cut my teeth on. In "The Sum of All Fears", what's lettered as Baltimore E79 was actually Doylestown VFC (Bucks County) E-79, 1984 Pierce Arrow. It was bought by a broker in Montreal where the film was made. Can't find my pictures anywhere, have to find someone who's got them. Recreated Backdraft on that hose... never mind.


    Anywho, I know one can take the NIMS class online for free, but are the on-site classes free too? I know enough departments are checking under the couch cushions to make the matching requirements, I don't see them having the extra bucks to pay for one of these classes for all members too.

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    I was also planning to get our members into a computer lab at once to get everyone certified. I'm not seeing anywhere online that says we only have to take IS700 (I've looked everywhere!). Also what is the course number for the Unified Command course and do school officials really have to take this too? What about township trustees? Maybe I should call my EMA rep???
    You guys are such a big help. Pat yourselves on the shoulder for me.

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