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    Question Small area departments

    A different post regarding grants had a response that referred to a fire district of only 1 square mile. I am aware of a handful of very small fire districts, and wanted to see how common they are. Here are the ones I am familiar with, all in the Twin Cities metro around Minneapolis.

    Shakopee Mdewakanton Emergency Services
    Career, including ALS EMS, 30 members
    0.5 Sq Mile (in three sections, no less)
    http://www.tcmfd.com/shakopeemdewakanton

    Medicine Lake Fire Dept
    Volunteer, 19 members
    0.3 Sq Mile
    http://www.tcmfd.com/medicinelake/

    Osseo Fire Department
    Paid-On-Call, 25 members
    0.75 Sq Mile
    http://www.tcmfd.com/osseo

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    (Info from Firehouse magazine)

    Netcong, NJ
    100 Volunteers
    1 Sq. Mile
    80 Calls

    WOW

    I grew up right near there and those guys are really proud of their department.

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    Piscataway Fire Dist #2
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    Originally posted by FFTide
    (Info from Firehouse magazine)

    Netcong, NJ
    100 Volunteers
    1 Sq. Mile
    80 Calls

    WOW

    I grew up right near there and those guys are really proud of their department.

    ~Jeff
    Aha..I'm starting to see the light....100 volunteers covering a 1 sq. mile area? It must be departments like these who continue to chastise my 30 members scattered over 75 sq. miles for responding to scenes in POV's.....
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    Originally posted by dmleblanc


    Aha..I'm starting to see the light....100 volunteers covering a 1 sq. mile area? It must be departments like these who continue to chastise my 30 members scattered over 75 sq. miles for responding to scenes in POV's.....
    Or our 25 or so covering 288 sq miles.
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    Whoa Whoa,

    Derailed in 3 posts, not to shabby. But guys if you want to vent, make your own thread this one is specifically about small area departments, make one about large areas. But do not B!tch about these smaller areas that have more population in 1 mile than your whole district.

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    FFTide...sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Just making an observation. Some of us (rural) departments catch flak occasionally regarding letting members respond POV. I just had one of those enlightening moments where I realized, yeah, if you have 100 members in 1 sq. mile, you probably don't have to wait long for full crews to assemble at the station. I'm not criticizing at all, I think it's great. I wish we had half that many members.
    Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
    Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
    Paincourtville, LA

    "I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream — and I hope you don't find this too crazy — is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
    — C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"

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    I know there are some small fire districts, though maybe not quite that small, in the Albany, NY surburban towns of Guilderland, Bethlehem and Colonie that are quite populated abd active and covered by volunteer departments. Also in Vermont, there are the cities of Winooski and Vergennes that are 1 square mile in size (though I beleive Vergennes covers some area outside of the city, but I am not sure. St. Albans City may also be in that size range as well.

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    Our township is 1.7 sq. miles of land in two different sections (To be technically accurate we also have 17 sq. miles of Maumee Bay/Lake Erie that the city forgot during annexation)

    Paid per call, 42 members
    300 calls
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    Not my dept. but:

    Central Falls RI

    1 sq. mile
    30,000 people
    Heavy Industry, Prison, Hospital, High Rises
    4,000 calls.
    37 career firefighters
    Last edited by PuffyNPFD; 02-08-2005 at 08:29 AM.
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    I know the City of Balcones Heights, Texas (a very small municipality located within San Antonio) has a small paid fire department. The city limits are 1sq mile....if that. I honestly have no idea what their call volume could be.

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    Lyncourt is a suburb of the city of Syracuse, NY...right on their northern most border. Depending on which piece of paper you read, we are either 0.9 sq mi or 1.1 sq mi. Although mostly residential with some industrial and a fairly large number of commercial, our 53 members do approx 535 runs/year.

    There is another agency (Hinsdale) approx 2 miles north of us similiar in size and membership, however due to a much larger commercial base, and interstate coverage, they respond to over 650 runs/year average. In addition, there is a very small agency...Seneca River... (not sure of size, but I'd guess less than 0.5 sq mil) located in the northern section of the county that does less than 100 runs/year.

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    Sierra Madre, CA
    3.2 square miles
    11,000 residants
    600-700 calls/year
    44 volunteers
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    Me

    1.5 sq miles.
    Tourism, Commercial fishing, about 1000' of antique shops in a row.
    Winter pop - 8000+
    Summer pop - 20,000+
    4th July weekend - 50,000+ crammed in
    Avg 250 calls per year
    We don't run EMS
    FD has around 40 active responders between 2 stations

    EMS runs about 1500 calls per year.
    EMS has about 10 active responders

    All volunteer
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    These are all estimates,

    But my company,

    1.8 sq. miles
    3,600 citizens
    15 volunteers (2 more on the way )
    300 calls (2004) No Medical

    But we are just a corner of the whole district of 3 fire companies which looks like this.

    ~9 sq. miles
    17,100 citizens
    Rutgers University
    60 +/- volunteers
    550+ calls (total district, we only run a portion of those calls)
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    FFTide: How are the boys over at Arbor Hose?? Got a friend over there who went to school here in RI, vollied at my volly house while at school.
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    Originally posted by PuffyNPFD
    FFTide: How are the boys over at Arbor Hose?? Got a friend over there who went to school here in RI, vollied at my volly house while at school.
    For all I know they are doing well. They are 2 districts away so we don't get to play too much with them. They had 2 workers about 2 weeks apart this summer but have been fairly quiet since. If you PM me his name I can give him a message for you, might see some guys from Arbor at our installation dinner in two weeks.

    Arbor is much like our company, just a bit older section of town and a few more members.
    Piscataway Fire Dist #2
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    3.4 Sq Miles
    750 calls

    150 of those calls are on the highway that runs through town

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    Would I be correct and assuming these small fire districts are essentially equivalent to a first-due district in a multi-station department?
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    so correct me if im worng, but these depts that cover a small amount of area, is that cause the area is something that is going to be highly populated. i did see a prison in their, but are we talking about places like retirement comunities, maybe a very large place of public gathering, vacation spots, etc.

    another question- i see that you have a heck of a lot of calls for your area, are those calls mostly medical?

    i just think its really odd to have a dept for such a small area.

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    ullrichk, yes I think some of the replies are doing that, but what I'm looking for is extremely small departments by area covered. So far the record still seems to be Medicine Lake MN with a 3/10ths sq mile district. FWIW I am pretty sure this district is all single family dwellings. Their district resides entirely inside of the Plymouth (MN) Fire Dept's district.

    Here is a small map of MLFD's area:

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