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    Default Salvage covers.

    I am teaching a class on salvage covers. Nothing to major just withing my small department.IFSTA Essentials says an average size cover can usually cover the contents of one bedroom. So what is a "textbook" average size cover?

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    Survey says- 12x18...The fire service standard. And the fold-
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    Last note- Never, NEVER call them "tarps". Would you call your
    helmet a "hard hat"? No. Only Painters use tarps and hard hats.

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    ROFLMAO @ Bou .............no tarps huh ?> hows about a drop cloth ? anyone still got the ol fashioned canvas covers ?
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    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    Last note- Never, NEVER call them "tarps". Would you call your
    helmet a "hard hat"? No. Only Painters use tarps and hard hats.

    -Bou
    pfffft

    We buy tarps. The el cheapo's from the hardware store. Why? You can leave them behind without worrying about $$$$ replacement, and the homeowners love it. Need more? There's always a ton right down the street at the store.

    Rolling them and securing them with a bungee cord is another way of storig them.

    We also have the more traditional hypalon salvage covers, but we rarely use them.

    And we call our forestry helmets hard hats. OOPS.
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    Originally posted by Resq14

    pfffft

    We buy tarps. The el cheapo's from the hardware store. Why? You can leave them behind without worrying about $$$$ replacement, and the homeowners love it. Need more? There's always a ton right down the street at the store.

    Rolling them and securing them with a bungee cord is another way of storig them.

    We also have the more traditional hypalon salvage covers, but we rarely use them.

    And we call our forestry helmets hard hats. OOPS.
    This is a great idea! (Unless I miss my mark, if you have a Lowe's or a HD in your area, you could probably get them donated).

    This is probably for another thread, but think about how much stuff a FD will pay too much money for simply because it is sold as "fire equipment". I immediately think of generators and power tools. Oh yeah, flashlights too.

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    We also buy the "el cheapo" tarps for use as salvage covers. If they get torn, no big deal. They don't stink to high heaven when they get wet, don't need to be dried and are a hell of a lot lighter than the old canvas salvage covers.

    Originally posted by my buddy CALFFBOU
    Last note- Never, NEVER call them "tarps". Would you call your
    helmet a "hard hat"? No. Only Painters use tarps and hard hats.

    -Bou
    Hard hats are made of... plastic!
    Tactical Tupperware is made of.... plastic!

    My lid is made of leather...not to be confused with plastic!.. the preferred material of hard hats and tactical tupperware!

    PS: painters also wear smocks and berets!
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    [B]My lid is made of leather...not to be confused with plastic![/b
    Gonzo, that's why you've got crust!
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    Word of advise... check with your ISO folks to be sure your "salvage covers" meet their specifications. "El cheapo" covers will probably not qualify. When we had our last ISO inspection, they required us to have CANVAS salvage covers. Our heavy duty, reinforced vinyl was not recognized by them....
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    You don't need to remove your old ones if you feel tied to ISO (or want the added protection of heavier-duty tarps).

    I don't think ISO is all it's cracked up to be anyway, but that's my own opinion.
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    Heck, a local school had a parade and they left all their "salvage covers" laying around. They were picked up, dried off and donated to us.
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    Originally posted by my buddy CALFFBOU


    Hard hats are made of... plastic!
    Tactical Tupperware is made of.... plastic!

    My lid is made of leather...not to be confused with plastic!.. the preferred material of hard hats and tactical tupperware!
    I soooo saw this coming. But left it up to see who would bite
    first.

    The way I was taught and brought into the first service,
    savage covers are simply NOT "tarps". Thats just the way
    it is with me.

    As for being cheap-o, what ever works for you. My FD buys
    salvage covers.

    Last note- When you deploy a cover, the stiching goes on
    the inside so degris doesnt collect on the top.

    YES- I am very hard-core. But then, we exist strictly to
    deliver service.

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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    Hard hats are made of... plastic!
    Tactical Tupperware is made of.... plastic!
    Not to be too technical here, Tupperware is made of rubber,
    not plastic.

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    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    As for being cheap-o, what ever works for you.
    I think it's called being intelligent about the matter, and using some common sense.

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    YES- I am very hard-core.
    ...

    Staying on topic, 12x18 is pretty standard. Don't forget floor "runners"... usually 3'x 20'... great for stairs, larger homes/offices where you run the risk of beating a path into someone's nice cherry floors, or shag carpet.
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    Originally posted by CALFFBOU


    Not to be too technical here, Tupperware is made of rubber,
    not plastic.
    Wrong (again).

    "Tupperware, made of polyethylene, and Saran Wrap, composed of polyvinylidene, put plastics into our kitchens and into contact with our food."
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    Originally posted by MetalMedic
    Word of advise... check with your ISO folks to be sure your "salvage covers" meet their specifications. "El cheapo" covers will probably not qualify. When we had our last ISO inspection, they required us to have CANVAS salvage covers. Our heavy duty, reinforced vinyl was not recognized by them....
    Perhaps ISO needs to have someone point out that it is 2005? Wouldn't you suppose that a reinforced vinyl tarp would be more impervious to water than canvas?

    BTW, you can carry canvas tarps for ISO purposes. Just use the cheapies!

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


    Perhaps ISO needs to have someone point out that it is 2005? Wouldn't you suppose that a reinforced vinyl tarp would be more impervious to water than canvas?

    BTW, you can carry canvas tarps for ISO purposes. Just use the cheapies!
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    Our Department uses the canvas covers for debris removal, we call them debirs bags,they are 8X8 used only to remove contents from a burned out room. Then we have salvage covers heavy duty vinly that vary in sizes from 10X10 to 12X18 use to cover furniture, or to make water chutes. Keep it simple. Stay Safe.

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    We have some of the heavy duty ones, a couple cheapos, and there are still some old canvas ones at the other station, but not on the rigs.......
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    Originally posted by MetalMedic
    Word of advise... check with your ISO folks to be sure your "salvage covers" meet their specifications. "El cheapo" covers will probably not qualify. When we had our last ISO inspection, they required us to have CANVAS salvage covers. Our heavy duty, reinforced vinyl was not recognized by them....
    Thats what bothers me about ISO. Your guy tells you that your department must have canvas, and ours gives us credit for the canvas covers on the engine and rescue, the new style poly ones on the truck AND the cheapo blue tarps we have on everything
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    Let's see, extra $, more time, more effort, less convenience, ISO happy.....or less $, less time, less effort, more convenience, and not getting the 10 or so out of how many hundred ISO points that really won't matter for much.

    I'll stick with my blue cheapo ones.
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    For what its worth...I've seen the NYC Fire Patrol at work many a time and they are incredibly profficent at deploying salvage covers. In a matter of minutes I've seen them cover entire rooms and occupancies. Resturants, Museum Bookshelves, computer rooms...you name it they've covered it.

    All they use is the canvas covers.(that I've seen) Each guy places a large pile on his shoulder and in they go. Their sole purpose it to preserve and limit damage to property. They do it often and they do it very well. Give them an email. Maybe they can give you a few tips.

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    Some of our "upper crust" wanted to please the ISO gods and bought some canvas tarps.

    The rest of us kept the el cheapos on the rigs.

    To keep the canvas tarps smelling new and dry, we leave them on the d@mn truck.

    It's amazing how we fleece ourselves sometimes.

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    Here is a really average photo of them with their Canvas Salvage covers going to work.

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    Add me to the el-cheapo crowd. We've got a couple of nice ones (not canvas) but all we use are the cheap blue ones.

    Bou, there are many ways to deliver service. If poor or moderately funded departments buy expensive salvage covers, you know happens? If they're lost or damaged they will not be replaced in a timely fashion because of the cost. Some of the guys will even hesitate to pull them off the truck because they know they may well not get a replacement.

    Now, substitute a cheap one that does the job almost as good (if not equally) as the expensive model. The covers get used, property is protected, and the FD's limited resources are spend in a responsible fashion. That's good customer service.

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