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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    That's terrible logic. We have a guy on the department who is legally a little person. He just got his, jeez probably 3rd or 4th set of custom gear, and Thorogood custom made boots for him too.

    Just because no one after you can wear it is a terrible excuse for not being properly fitted for turn out gear.
    Actually, very few fire fighters will get truly custom fitted gear. 99% will get the gear that is standard sized and on the shelf. Very few will get a custom size. Even the extremely small and extremely large will still get standard sizes, they just aren't stocked on the shelf. You might get custom gear if you are 6'10" and 180 pounds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Actually, very few fire fighters will get truly custom fitted gear. 99% will get the gear that is standard sized and on the shelf. Very few will get a custom size. Even the extremely small and extremely large will still get standard sizes, they just aren't stocked on the shelf. You might get custom gear if you are 6'10" and 180 pounds.
    What do you base this on? Every FD I have ever been on evolved to buying custom fit turnout gear. Including my current small rural village VFD.

    The benefit of custom fit gear simply vastly outweighs the cost savings of poor fitting standard sized gear. It allows for far more efficient work than poor fitting either too big or too small standard sized gear. AND, it actually lasts longer because you aren't walking on too long legs.

    My vote, custom fit turn out gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    What do you base this on? Every FD I have ever been on evolved to buying custom fit turnout gear. Including my current small rural village VFD.

    The benefit of custom fit gear simply vastly outweighs the cost savings of poor fitting standard sized gear. It allows for far more efficient work than poor fitting either too big or too small standard sized gear. AND, it actually lasts longer because you aren't walking on too long legs.

    My vote, custom fit turn out gear.
    The 2 years or so that I was selling fire fighting equipment. Many salesman will telly you it is custom fitted. All they do is take the measurements and get the best fit form the standard sizes.

    If you look at the labels the coats will say something like size 46. Pants will be something like 40X32. The turn out gear is mass produced, building custom fitted gear would be cost prohibitive. And if I recall, something like 80% of the people fit in something like 15 or 20 different sizes. Boots are the same way, most people wear a size 10 or 11. Followed by 9 and 12. After that they are rare. I did sell a couple of 14 and at least one 4.

    Viking is a very large company and has most of the standard sizes setting on the shelves in a warehouse in Florida. Hence they can deliver within 30 days of the order. Very small and very large sizes will take some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The 2 years or so that I was selling fire fighting equipment. Many salesman will telly you it is custom fitted. All they do is take the measurements and get the best fit form the standard sizes.

    If you look at the labels the coats will say something like size 46. Pants will be something like 40X32. The turn out gear is mass produced, building custom fitted gear would be cost prohibitive. And if I recall, something like 80% of the people fit in something like 15 or 20 different sizes. Boots are the same way, most people wear a size 10 or 11. Followed by 9 and 12. After that they are rare. I did sell a couple of 14 and at least one 4.

    Viking is a very large company and has most of the standard sizes setting on the shelves in a warehouse in Florida. Hence they can deliver within 30 days of the order. Very small and very large sizes will take some time.
    Really? What haven't you done?

    If gear is "sitting on the shelves" as you say... then a 30 day delivery time is unacceptable. They should be able to ship within a day or 2 of the reciept of the order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Really? What haven't you done?

    If gear is "sitting on the shelves" as you say... then a 30 day delivery time is unacceptable. They should be able to ship within a day or 2 of the reciept of the order.
    There really isn't much I haven't done....Some things I do a lot and much better, some things I just do. I can tell you this, I haven't drove an over the road rig; YET.

    Typically, the gear arrives in a couple of weeks. Just like anything they put a 30 day delivery time to give some slack. When I worked at the Home Depot people would special order things. If the book said a 7 day delivery I told them 14. When it comes in early they are happy' let it come in late and they scream up a storm.

    I recall one jackass who ordered metal roofing the week before Thanksgiving, around here that is awful late to be putting on a roof. He was told 14 working days for delivery. Note the working days part of it. That means weekends and holidays don't count. 14 days later (not working days) he was in looking for his roofing, which obviously wasn't there yet. Even on a normal week without the Holiday it wouldn't have been in. The guy got all P.O.ed whined cried complained, until the store manager gave him an option, wait or take a refund; your choice. He took the refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    There really isn't much I haven't done....Some things I do a lot and much better, some things I just do. I can tell you this, I haven't drove an over the road rig; YET.

    Typically, the gear arrives in a couple of weeks. Just like anything they put a 30 day delivery time to give some slack. When I worked at the Home Depot people would special order things. If the book said a 7 day delivery I told them 14. When it comes in early they are happy' let it come in late and they scream up a storm.

    I recall one jackass who ordered metal roofing the week before Thanksgiving, around here that is awful late to be putting on a roof. He was told 14 working days for delivery. Note the working days part of it. That means weekends and holidays don't count. 14 days later (not working days) he was in looking for his roofing, which obviously wasn't there yet. Even on a normal week without the Holiday it wouldn't have been in. The guy got all P.O.ed whined cried complained, until the store manager gave him an option, wait or take a refund; your choice. He took the refund.
    The more you post, the more I realize that you are an artist... and your medium is male bovine excrement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    The more you post, the more I realize that you are an artist... and your medium is male bovine excrement...
    Look, don't take my word for it. Go check your gear and tell me how many sets have custom measurements in them? You try so hard to make me look bad that you end up looking the fool. This isn't the first thread where you have succeeded at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Look, don't take my word for it.
    Your "word" is worthless.. why would anyone take it?

    You try so hard to make me look bad...
    You make it so easy....
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    Hmmn,All I KNOW is mine is CUSTOM.Looks right,hangs right,works right. Feels just like my Carhart coat. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Really? What haven't you done?

    If gear is "sitting on the shelves" as you say... then a 30 day delivery time is unacceptable. They should be able to ship within a day or 2 of the reciept of the order.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnee View Post
    I don't think he been an Astronaut, as of today! He may be on the next Shuttle!!!
    Don't threaten me with a GOOD time. OR LAUNCH,hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnee View Post
    I don't think he been an Astronaut, as of today! He may be on the next Shuttle!!!
    With any luck, it will be a one-manned, one way trip....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Look, don't take my word for it. Go check your gear and tell me how many sets have custom measurements in them? You try so hard to make me look bad that you end up looking the fool. This isn't the first thread where you have succeeded at that.
    Hmmm..... my gear has name and measurements printed on a label built into the coat. My gear fits me like a glove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Really? What haven't you done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Look, don't take my word for it. Go check your gear and tell me how many sets have custom measurements in them? You try so hard to make me look bad that you end up looking the fool. This isn't the first thread where you have succeeded at that.
    Anytime you want to come to the Metro Baton Rouge area I can take you to many departments that only order "Fit to order" gear. I know we have at least 600 sets on the floor in my department. If your gear is mismatched it is because you needed temporary gear from supply. If your department is to poor or cares that little about their member it is not a general reflection on all departments.
    Your right ScareCrow57. CaptainGonzo please stop making, or trying to make a fool of ScareCrow57. He is doing that quite nicely all by himself.
    Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFRDxplorer View Post
    Hmmm..... my gear has name and measurements printed on a label built into the coat. My gear fits me like a glove.
    Doesn't take much to build a custom label and sew it onto a standard coat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Doesn't take much to build a custom label and sew it onto a standard coat.
    If that is your retort you once again show your limited knowledge of fire equipment, but that should not come as a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acklan View Post
    Anytime you want to come to the Metro Baton Rouge area I can take you to many departments that only order "Fit to order" gear. I know we have at least 600 sets on the floor in my department. If your gear is mismatched it is because you needed temporary gear from supply. If your department is to poor or cares that little about their member it is not a general reflection on all departments.
    Your right ScareCrow57. CaptainGonzo please stop making, or trying to make a fool of ScareCrow57. He is doing that quite nicely all by himself.
    Have a nice day.
    Have you ever gotten a custom tailored suit? You pick the standard size off the rack. Then you put the suit on. The tailor then fits it to your body while you have it on. In my case, my left leg is about 1 inch shorter than my left. In fact, many people have one leg shorter than the other. So when my suits are custom fitted they are in fact custom.

    How do you measure for TO gear? You measure the chest, from the middle of the back down the bent arm to the wrist (one only), you measure the waist, you measure the inseam. They don't take nearly enough measurements to custom fit the suit.

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    Or heck, go over here and try to order some gear The Fire Store Turnout Gear

    Better yet, ask your salesman, if he is honest he will tell you there is no such thing as custom tailored gear. In fact, to customize the gear would take some expensive equipment on on-site sizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acklan View Post
    If that is your retort you once again show your limited knowledge of fire equipment, but that should not come as a surprise.
    Be careful there sonny. Show me where someone has custom tailored gear? Show me one manufacture that says they sell custom fitted gear. You can't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Be careful there sonny. Show me where someone has custom tailored gear? Show me one manufacture that says they sell custom fitted gear. You can't do it.
    We have the manufacture (not salesman) come to the department and fit every fire fighter that will receive new gear. We refuse to accept any gear that does not fit as measured. I am sure you have worn many "off the rack suites", but I am finding it hard to believe you have every worn new bunker gear. That maybe your problem, you recent having to ware "Hand-me-downs". Poor you . Once again your lack of knowledge of the fire service only draws a sigh.
    Sonny? Cute. Condescending quips are all you have? You do know most fire stations will allow you to come by and visit? You can go and talk with the fire fighters, and paramedic. All you have to do is ask and they will let you ware their bunkers (That is the fire coat and pants). Why don't you come out of your mother's basement, get in your '92 Honda Civic and trot down and see the firemen. You may even get one of the cool plastic "Junior Fireman" badges.
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