Like Tree3Likes

Thread: Standard or Fitted Turnout Gear?

  1. #1
    MembersZone Subscriber
    AFD368's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Albion NY
    Posts
    407

    Default Standard or Fitted Turnout Gear?

    Are you measured for your turnout gear or issued standard (S M L XL etc.) gear? Also, there are many female firefighters. Are the females wearing smaller size "men's or standard" gear or are they issued or purchasing proportionate fitting turnouts?

    My first set of turnout gear, that I purchased, was a quick measure and a standard set of gear. The gear I have been issued in my department was measured to fit properly.

    Our department's policy is you get issued what's on the rack until completeing your basic and probation, then they will have you fitted for your gear.
    "The uniform is supposed to say something about you. You get it for nothing, but it comes with a history, so do the right thing when you're in it."
    Battalion Chief Ed Schoales
    from 'Report from Ground Zero' pg 149
    I.A.C.O.J. Member

  2. #2
    Forum Member
    firenresq77's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Northwest Ohio
    Posts
    5,213

    Default

    We all get measured........
    The comments made by me are my opinions only. They DO NOT reflect the opinions of my employer(s). If you have an issue with something I may say, take it up with me, either by posting in the forums, emailing me through my profile, or PMing me through my profile.
    We are all adults so there is no need to act like a child........
    IACOJ

  3. #3
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Marble Rock, Iowa
    Posts
    215

    Default

    In our department you get whatever we have around. Wish we had the money to get everyone fitted gear. Only way you get new gear is if you completely ruin the set you have.

  4. #4
    former FH.com member

    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    860

    Default

    During drill school you are initially given old gear to use. By the time you get to the live burns your personal fitted gear has been issued to you.

  5. #5
    Forum Member
    SpartanGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    489

    Default

    We're on a cycle. 1/4 of the department gets new fitted gear every every year. You have your gear for four years, basically.
    "Captain 1 to control, retone this as a structure and notify the fire chief...."

    Safety is no accident.

  6. #6
    District Chief
    distchief60b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    6,413

    Default

    The NFPA Standard for gear suggests that you should be properly fitted. To me that means you should not be given stock gear. I understand the part about going to the academy with used gear. But when you get your permanent gear you should be measured and the gear custom fit.

    Be wary of those that say they measure you for custom gear. Take not of your measurements and see what you get when you receive it. If you are measured for a 44 coat and 34" sleeve, and receive gear that says Lg/R in the size or 44R in the size it IS NOT custome gear. It you paid for it...demand it...

    Stock shelf gear has two standard sleeve lengts of 30 and 33 (Long or regular) and the pants have lengths of 29 and 33 (Long and regular) If any gear you have has this type of markings, it is not custom.

    Custom gear will take 6-8 weeks to deliver and in some cases, dealers will hold stock orders that long to make you think it is custom.

    Custome gear is measured so that your hips and other areas, especially sleeves and inseam are proper. It fits better, is more comfortable and will last longer because it is properly fitted.
    09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
    ------------------------------
    IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
    "Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
    BMI Investigator
    ------------------------------
    The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

  7. #7
    Forum Member
    Dave1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Gator Country
    Posts
    4,157

    Default

    Custom fit here.
    Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

    IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
    RUSH-Tom Sawyer

    Success is when skill meets opportunity
    Failure is when fantasy meets reality

  8. #8
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    firmly entrenched in mediocrity
    Posts
    156

    Default

    I would like to see it our policy to cutome fit members as they join. Cost prohibits that, so we issue existing gear to the new firefighters. We try to buy 10 sets of tailored gear a year.

  9. #9
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Wheaton IL
    Posts
    1,765

    Default

    Custom, like captstanm1 said it is in the NFPA.
    For the first 15 years I wore gear off the shelf, so I don't think it is that big of a deal, but it should fit you.

  10. #10
    District Chief
    distchief60b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    6,413

    Default

    Depchief135...If you analyze the cost of fitted vs stock, you will see that there is not that much difference in cost and it is to your benefit to do it that way.
    09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
    ------------------------------
    IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
    "Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
    BMI Investigator
    ------------------------------
    The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

  11. #11
    Junior Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Las Cruces, New Mexico
    Posts
    16

    Default

    By today's management standards and quality improvement and all the other new management methods I believe its important to make everyone one feel important. You do this by making them all individuals. And what a better place to start than at the bunker!

    Measure everyone! Give them all their own equipment. Invest in them like you want them to invest in you!

  12. #12
    MembersZone Subscriber
    firefighterbeau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Central ND USA
    Posts
    451

    Default

    In our dept, you get what fits off the shelf until gear can be ordered. We use Quaker they ask for specific measurements, for each individual. Now I had my set ordered and it didn't fit, I had to use a spare coat that we ordered in a genaric size, which fit perfectly. Just last summer I ordered a set for me personally and got gear that was Large coat, XL Pants, with inseam adjustment, that stuff fit better than what I was custom ordered. So as long as the gear isn't too small I don't see a problem with stanard sizes, and most mfg. will do some adjustment if you need extra sleeve length or other modifications. I guess the best advice is get sets of the gear to try on when the dealer comes to do sizing, make sure you tell them where extra is needed and where it isn't.

  13. #13
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Posts
    868

    Default

    Ours is standard, which is a pain in the butt for me as I have to wear a coat that is about 3 sizes too large to get the right sleeve length - there's almost enough room in there for another person - tandem firefighting anyone?
    Busy polishing the stacked tips on the deckgun of I.A.C.O.J. Engine#1

    ...and before you ask - YES I have done a Bloody SEARCH!

  14. #14
    Forum Member
    Dave1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Gator Country
    Posts
    4,157

    Default

    Originally posted by firefighterbeau
    In our dept, you get what fits off the shelf until gear can be ordered. We use Quaker they ask for specific measurements, for each individual. Now I had my set ordered and it didn't fit, I had to use a spare coat that we ordered in a genaric size, which fit perfectly. Just last summer I ordered a set for me personally and got gear that was Large coat, XL Pants, with inseam adjustment, that stuff fit better than what I was custom ordered. So as long as the gear isn't too small I don't see a problem with stanard sizes, and most mfg. will do some adjustment if you need extra sleeve length or other modifications. I guess the best advice is get sets of the gear to try on when the dealer comes to do sizing, make sure you tell them where extra is needed and where it isn't.
    How do you like that Quaker gear? Is it holding up?? We've had it for about two years now and so far no complaints.
    Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

    IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
    RUSH-Tom Sawyer

    Success is when skill meets opportunity
    Failure is when fantasy meets reality

  15. #15
    MembersZone Subscriber
    ROOKIELZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,650

    Default

    there are many female firefighters. Are the females wearing smaller size "men's or standard" gear or are they issued or purchasing proportionate fitting turnouts?
    I am wearing men's small size standard gear. It doesn't fit that great. Put it this way; the last Chief dropped a can of pop down my pants while I was wearing them. I shook my leg, out dropped the can and I handed it to him. My boots were 2 sizes too big so that when I climbed a ladder I needed to be careful that my foot was on the rung not just my boot. I now have new boots after a certain FF caught me on a "rapid unscheduled descent." My suspenders are knotted in the back and crossed over in the front.

    The end result of my wonderful gear?? Literally ashes in my underwear.

    Some of the guys have custom fit. I doubt I will get any unless something drastic happens. The current thinking is that since I am so small, there wouldn't be anyone to use my gear after I leave and that would be a waste of money.

  16. #16
    Forum Member
    DeputyChiefGonzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Somewhere between genius and insanity!
    Posts
    13,584

    Default

    Originally posted by ROOKIELZ


    I am wearing men's small size standard gear. It doesn't fit that great. Put it this way; the last Chief dropped a can of pop down my pants while I was wearing them. I shook my leg, out dropped the can and I handed it to him. My boots were 2 sizes too big so that when I climbed a ladder I needed to be careful that my foot was on the rung not just my boot. I now have new boots after a certain FF caught me on a "rapid unscheduled descent." My suspenders are knotted in the back and crossed over in the front.

    The end result of my wonderful gear?? Literally ashes in my underwear.

    Some of the guys have custom fit. I doubt I will get any unless something drastic happens. The current thinking is that since I am so small, there wouldn't be anyone to use my gear after I leave and that would be a waste of money.
    The waste of money would be to pay the hospital bill for injuries recieved because your gear did not fit properly and could not protect you at a fire.

    Feel free to point this out to your "chief".
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
    Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

  17. #17
    MembersZone Subscriber
    ROOKIELZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,650

    Default

    The waste of money would be to pay the hospital bill for injuries recieved because your gear did not fit properly and could not protect you at a fire.

    Feel free to point this out to your "chief".


    Well, as I mentioned, I finally got new boots. As for the rest, I get the old "isn't she cute; she's playing firefighter" smile. I'll have 4 years in April and council and the Chief STILL don't think I'll last on the Dept.

  18. #18
    MembersZone Subscriber
    AFD368's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Albion NY
    Posts
    407

    Default

    First off, Thank you ROOKIELZ for being the first female to respond to this thread. I was initially hoping to get more responses from the girls, just to see if they have the same problems that you are having.

    In our county, there are numerous female firefighters, some of them being very small in size. As they hold their own with the big boys, most of their departments have gotten them gear that fits. Not to say that their gear is custom, but they have found small enough sizes so most of them are not tripping over themselves.

    In my department, we have two very active females. One has custom gear while the other is waiting to finish probation and have a set ordered. We also have two or three female explorers who eventually will be on our roster.
    "The uniform is supposed to say something about you. You get it for nothing, but it comes with a history, so do the right thing when you're in it."
    Battalion Chief Ed Schoales
    from 'Report from Ground Zero' pg 149
    I.A.C.O.J. Member

  19. #19
    MembersZone Subscriber
    firefighterbeau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Central ND USA
    Posts
    451

    Default

    Dave1983, I bought my first set 4 years ago for college and it was a really good set of gear. Then another department started buying Quaker and they have had really good luck with it. We have only had our stuff for just over a year now. When sizing Quaker gear they take a chest measurement and a belly measurement, if the belly measurement is larger, make sure that is the size coat you get. When they ordered mine they took the smaller of the 2. The personal set of gear I bought is Fyrepel so far so good on that gear also.

  20. #20
    MembersZone Subscriber
    dmleblanc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Location
    Not the end of the earth but I can see it from here...
    Posts
    2,318

    Default

    The NFPA Standard for gear suggests that you should be properly fitted. To me that means you should not be given stock gear.
    While I'm not about to quote NFPA book, chapter, and verse, I believe the intention is simply that protective gear should fit properly. "Fit properly" does not necessarily mean "custom fitted", despite what the vendors might tell you. If it's necessary to custom fit someone to get a proper fit, then do so, but if they can get a proper fit with "off the shelf" gear I think that's OK too.

    That being said, when I first started in this department I was issued whatever they could piece together out of the back room. Pants and coats were often mismatched, sometimes damaged, always used. Eventually with some better funding we were able to get everyone new fitted gear. Nowadays when a new guy joins up we do fit him temporarily with gear out of storage (which is still in WAY better condition than the stuff I started with), but once he has completed his probationary period he is fitted for a new set (we do like to at least feel assured that he'll stick around a while before we drop a lot of dough on new gear).
    Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
    Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
    Paincourtville, LA

    "I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream and I hope you don't find this too crazy is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
    C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"

  21. #21
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Feb 2000
    Location
    Morris County NJ
    Posts
    27

    Default

    We fit all our senior members for new gear- in the end we get less complaints and it creates fewer problems when members are properly fitted for their gear.
    Brookside Engine Company, (NJ)-Captain
    Morristown(NJ) Fire Department-FF
    Mendham Township First Aid(NJ)-EMT- Officer

    These views are my own and do not reflect those of these departments

  22. #22
    MembersZone Subscriber
    dmleblanc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Location
    Not the end of the earth but I can see it from here...
    Posts
    2,318

    Default

    The current thinking is that since I am so small, there wouldn't be anyone to use my gear after I leave and that would be a waste of money.
    All the more reason to custom fit the gear. If a person is of "average" size and build it's probably pretty easy to fit them off the shelf, or with spare stuff laying around. But as soon as a new member walks through the door who's 5'3", 110lbs, or at the other end of the spectrum, 6'8" 350, it should be a given that you're going to have to bite the bullet and get them properly fitted for gear.

    My suspenders are knotted in the back and crossed over in the front.
    That just wrong Someone in authority should step in and make sure you get fitted for some proper gear.

    One local vendor was telling me a story of a department near here. They have a member who's not just short, he truly qualifies as a "little person" (like maybe 4' tall). Naturally, he had to be custom fitted for gear. The chief of this department was telling the salesman that one time at a structure fire, some old biddy on the street approached the chief and dressed him down, telling him he should be ashamed of himself and that he shouldn't have children fighting a dangerous fire like that The chief patiently explained that the firefighter in question was 23 years old....

    My assistant chief has always needed custom gear....he's about 110 lbs soaking wet and wears, I think, a size 5 bunker boot......
    Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
    Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
    Paincourtville, LA

    "I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream and I hope you don't find this too crazy is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
    C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"

  23. #23
    Forum Member
    Weruj1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    7,857

    Default

    we all get fitted, you just gotta hope the person measuring you knows what they are doing......
    IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
    Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
    ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
    RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
    LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
    I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
    "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

  24. #24
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Salem, Massachusetts
    Posts
    422

    Exclamation It's about EVERYONE'S safety

    It's about time we demand EVERY firefighter be custom fitted!!! I know, I know, that's not how it works around here, kid. Keep your mouth shut and do what you're told. BUT to me this is a safety issue NOT a comfort issue!!! What good is a FF next to me whose gear is so loose that I can slide a soda can down their pants? They can't even climb down a ladder properly! The right turnout gear is as important to the entire group on duty with this individual as it is with the actual individual wearing the improper gear.Remember the old saying," A team is only as strong as its weakest player". Also, I know the budget for the FIRE ACT grants keeps getting smaller and smaller each year but why can't each dept. apply for a grant through The U.S. Department of Homeland Security for their turnout gear needs? Almost everyone agrees that their department doesn't have the funding or budget approval to spend money on such an "unnecessary" item. If it comes down to the bottom line(money)and it always does, then it is my belief that every single Fire Dept. in The U.S. should aggressively seek the necessary funding through The FIRE ACT to properly prepare and fit their personnel with clothing that provides comfort AND safety for all!!!
    Last edited by RESERVE172; 02-21-2005 at 11:52 PM.

  25. #25
    MembersZone Subscriber
    dmleblanc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Location
    Not the end of the earth but I can see it from here...
    Posts
    2,318

    Default

    I agree that everyone should have a safe, comfortable set of gear. I got some new gear recently and was surprised to find that the pants had "takeup" straps to adjust the waist size.

    My old pants had something similar, but as far as I could tell they were only "let out" straps...I could never get them to work in the other direction
    Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
    Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
    Paincourtville, LA

    "I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream and I hope you don't find this too crazy is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
    C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register