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    Just lowered, Bones, and I'm bumfuzzled that this has been such a big thing. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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    Originally posted by EastKyFF
    Just lowered, Bones, and I'm bumfuzzled that this has been such a big thing. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    I was bumfuzzled once... but it was from a pair of flannel boxer shorts.
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo


    I was bumfuzzled once... but it was from a pair of flannel boxer shorts.
    No, Gonz, that would have been bumfuzzy not bumfuzzle.
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    Originally posted by IACOJRev


    No, Gonz, that would have been bumfuzzy not bumfuzzle.
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    the speed of a bumfuzzle would be measured in??

    bumfuzzle-ocity?
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    Originally posted by firefighter26
    the speed of a bumfuzzle would be measured in??

    bumfuzzle-ocity?
    Depends on whether it is the speed of bumfuzzle through light, or the speed of bumfuzzle through dark.

    Cause as we have learned, the speed of dark is different.
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    Default Again only one side of the story.

    2. Has limited or restricted means for entry or exit (example, tanks, vessels, silos, storage bins, hoppers, vaults, and pits that may have limited means of entry); and
    It's hard to say, just because it's a hopper, doesn't mean that this is confined, it's the entry or exit part that's the catch, and that's hard to say, and really I think that it's a matter of opinion to how restrictive the means of entry of exit is...I can think of two ways to get out easily...

    Well CaptainGonzo I'd like to point out that the side of the story that your hearing again is only one side of the story...just because you heard it from a few different people doesn't mean that they seen the issue from different aspects. Here's a few more facts:

    There have been issues that I was asked my opinion on, such as training issues and the "rocket", including a conversation with a Malahat firefighter who stated that diesel fuel was used along with the pallets to "get the going".
    This was the teachings of the Deputy Chief at the time...as per him being repremanded, I cannot be sure, since I am not the Chief and the Department is not my responsibility (Thank God!). Does it make you feel any better to know that, that Deputy is now the Department Head? Due to appointment of the CVRD who didn't even follow their own policies for this process.

    A member of your department came up with a power point/slide show presentation showing the inadequacies and the dangers of using the "rocket" and came up with a solution that the entire district could have shared, used to train together with the NFPA 1403 guidelines and even defray expenses.
    If you ask me that's taking way to much time for something so juvenile...but I do know that the Chief discontinued the use of the rocket following, much to the disappointment of a majority of the members. On a later date a few of the members decided that they would complain about the things wrong with it and ways that it coud be fixed...when asked if they would fix it they declined.

    Safety issues... such improperly fittng SCBA masks. The persons who had a hard time getting a proper seal despite having the mask's adjustment points either extended to the max or retracted to the max were told to "deal with it"... not exactly the answer a firefighter would like to hear.
    Actually this firefighter was bought a special small sized mask, which was not used a single time after it's purchase. When I was in the hall I was the only one who was comfortable enough to wear it and finally after about a year of sitting and waiting it was put to use.

    Putting blame on the last operator of a piece of apparatus because a pump operator couldn't get water at a fire (another incident entirely and which turned out to be operator error), then writing up the previous operator for making a u turn at another incident that was directed by a company officer (told by a few Malahat firefighters, not just the one who got written up) and then writing up the so called "infraction" weeks after the alleged infraction happened in retaliation is simply no way to run a department.
    I believe that the incident that you are talking about would be a bush fire, one where the person who was supposed to be running the pump had no clue how to do it, even though it was claimed that they could...I believe that this is one of those break under pressure situations. Not to mention the numerous complaints that were made that some people weren't pulling thier own weight, and I'm sure you know how annoying that can get. As for getting written up, who knows about that, but paperwork doesn't always follow up immediatly.

    Since it wasn't the idea of the Chief of Department and/or his advisors (conincidentally, most of which are comprised of family family members), it was ignored.
    Now this one really gets under my skin, how can you possibly critisize people for donating their time? And if there's an issue with an intire family being involved, why aren't those who are complaining stepping up to fill the plate of these so called "advisor" positions...if your going to sit back and critisize the people who are doing something, why don't you get up and do something productive.
    But just so that you know, here's how those advisor poistions filled out:
    Deputy Chief: someone of no relation to the Chief.
    LT: held by someone of no relation to the Chief.
    SCBA Officer: that would be the Chiefs Step-son.
    Equipment Officer: that position was by a probabtionary member, of no relation to the Chief, since, people weren't fulfilling their duties.
    Engineering Officer: a heavy duty mechanic, also a probationary member, and of no relation to the Chief.
    First Responder Officer: no relation to the Chief.
    Fire Prevention: this was held by myself, the former Chiefs daughter...something that I didn't even want to do, but again no one stepped up.

    You can spare me with the Fire Hall run by a family crap, cause that's just not true...and unfortunatly, people just don't get that...being related to the Chief doesn't get you any special treatment, matter of fact it's a pain in the butt, since your continually having to prove yourself against these type of people.

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    Hey Toughie. I saw the "rocket" with my own eyes. I even physically went into that thing. It is a DEATH TRAP waiting to happen. I am wondering how many times you have been on the pipe in a real fire? If you are the ex chiefs daughter, you are only a teenager. If you arent, You obviously are showing your ignorance to some very basic fire safety rules. You would have got to test out your death benefits if that thing was continued to be used. Live fire training is an essential component in becoming a real firefighter. Dying in that thing isnt. Your brother hasnt answered me about roof work, so maybe you will answer my asking.. How many fires have you actually fought?
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    It's hard to say, just because it's a hopper, doesn't mean that this is confined, it's the entry or exit part that's the catch, and that's hard to say, and really I think that it's a matter of opinion to how restrictive the means of entry of exit is...I can think of two ways to get out easily...
    Matter of opinion? Hardly. From Appendix E..."Restricted -- A portal of 24 inches or less in the least dimension. Portals of this size are too small to allow a rescuer to simply enter the space while using SCBA." It's not hard to say at all.
    If you ask me that's taking way to much time for something so juvenile...but I do know that the Chief discontinued the use of the rocket following, much to the disappointment of a majority of the members. On a later date a few of the members decided that they would complain about the things wrong with it and ways that it coud be fixed...when asked if they would fix it they declined.
    Juvenile?? You consider valid safety concerns to be juvenile? At least this person saw something dangerous and pointed it out. They used a medium that they believed was the most effective in getting the point across. As for a majority of the members being disappointed when it was discontinued, oh well. They're alive to be disappointed, and that's the bottom line.

    Why did the others decline to fix this thing? Maybe because they didn't feel qualified to make the proper assessment to safely correct the deficiencies? You just don't go whacking on something like this with a cutting torch and welding things willie nilly.

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    Default Re: Again only one side of the story.

    Originally posted by ToughJustice
    Actually this firefighter was bought a special small sized mask, which was not used a single time after it's purchase. When I was in the hall I was the only one who was comfortable enough to wear it and finally after about a year of sitting and waiting it was put to use.


    The mask WAS used a few times AFTER being bought. Maybe you need to get YOUR facts straight. It was used when SCBA drills were carried out, it was used at car fires, etc. Since there are so few FIRE incidents in that district it didn't get worn very often, but it was worn.


    I believe that the incident that you are talking about would be a bush fire, one where the person who was supposed to be running the pump had no clue how to do it, even though it was claimed that they could...I believe that this is one of those break under pressure situations. Not to mention the numerous complaints that were made that some people weren't pulling thier own weight, and I'm sure you know how annoying that can get. As for getting written up, who knows about that, but paperwork doesn't always follow up immediatly.


    Again, get your facts straight. The pump issue was discussed WITH the chief after the incident. For the record, water wasn't forth coming when the prime was pulled, so because I was not very experienced on that particular pump and didn't want to "break" anything by keeping the prime engaged for too long,(not to mention that we didn't need another "pump failure" like the McCurdy incident) I recognized that I was having a problem and immediately radioed for assistance, which happened to be your brother since he was the closest. You also failed to mention that once the pump was running there was NEVER a lapse in water supply or foam, water was drafted from the porta-tank without any problem. Everyone has brain farts, if in fact I "had no clue" what I was doing I'm sure the water supply would have been LOST along the way. I'm glad that you have such vast experience that you can sit back and say it was a "break under pressure" situation. Make all the allusions that you want Sarah, but since you were not privy to conversations between your father and I you really know NOTHING, unless you are saying that your Daddy breached confidentiality and you really do know what you are talking about. Which is it? Since you were NOT on that call I have to question where exactly it is that you get your information.

    As for "pulling their own weight", I always did my job, so try again there.
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    I love how quickly you all jump on the bandwagon of critisim. Your all too quick to jump to conclusions.

    I do not believe that any relivant safety concerns are juvenile, ummm,it's the fact that that much time would be taken to make something that was just as effective as voicing your concern personally, all that time could have been spent doing something productive. Oh and don't forget to tell me that you actually did that, and my Daddy of a Fire Chief just neglected to follow up with that.

    Hey Toughie. I saw the "rocket" with my own eyes. I even physically went into that thing. It is a DEATH TRAP waiting to happen. I am wondering how many times you have been on the pipe in a real fire? If you are the ex chiefs daughter, you are only a teenager. If you arent, You obviously are showing your ignorance to some very basic fire safety rules. You would have got to test out your death benefits if that thing was continued to be used. Live fire training is an essential component in becoming a real firefighter. Dying in that thing isnt. Your brother hasnt answered me about roof work, so maybe you will answer my asking.. How many fires have you actually fought?
    Oh you, I really, really love you. Your so full of yourself and all of your wonderful skills. Please bless me with the pressence of your guidance.
    Live Fire Training...brings back memories, those times were fun, but that was under the previous chief...wonder if the new one (who's, again, favorite tool is the rocket) would continue that training?
    Yes I am a teenager, really, why continue to bring this one up...seems to me that I'm more "grown-up" then the rest of you. One thing that you all need to understand is...this fight is OUR fight...this has to do with insurance NOT training or safety.

    And yet you all continue to neglect answering me this...what coverage does your insurance offer? and are you paid or volunteer?

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    Many of us who have commented on the Malahat situation have more time "on the job" than you have been on the planet! The Malahat Firefighters I know and have conversed with care about he hall, care about the job and wanted to make things better. Since they were not getting anywhere with the Chief about changing things, they asked for assistance to try to help them present a better picture so the Chief would look at things differently. The fire hall isn't a private club, you know.

    Get over the fact that Daddy isn't the Chief anymore. He made his decision, he'll have to stick with it.

    The firefighters who walked out en masse and want to return will have to work with the new Chief, the District and each other to make things work. If you want to be the monkey wrench tossed nto the gears...get out now.. they don't need you!

    One thing that you all need to understand is...this fight is OUR fight...
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    To answer your question, I am blessed to work in a state that matches the Federal PSOB of almost $276,000. This along with my life insurance and any workmans comp claims and a few other assorted benefits ends up being quite a bit of money. I wont be around to enjoy it but thats what it is. I answered my question. Now are you going to answer mine. How many fires have you fought? You say it's your fight, but we didnt start this thread, your brother did. You have zero credibility with anyone on these forums because of the JUVENILE things you posted under your last screen name. Nobody cares (except you) about peoples personal lives. If HALF the crap that I have heard about the way people are treated around your little community is true, then those responsible should be ASHAMED of themselves. I wont comment further, because you know,deep down in your heart what the truth is. Thats a ton of baggage for someone so young. Have a nice day!
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    Get over the fact that Daddy isn't the Chief anymore. He made his decision, he'll have to stick with it.
    And so he did, not being one of the members that re-applied.

    You say it's your fight, but we didnt start this thread, your brother did.
    On the contrary this thread was started by Malahat27.

    You have zero credibility with anyone on these forums because of the JUVENILE things you posted under your last screen name. Nobody cares (except you) about peoples personal lives. If HALF the crap that I have heard about the way people are treated around your little community is true, then those responsible should be ASHAMED of themselves. I wont comment further, because you know,deep down in your heart what the truth is. Thats a ton of baggage for someone so young.
    Of Course I know what the truth is, and if I didn't I would be on here defending all of the people that you so graciously drag down. What you so claim to know about this community and the people who live in it is completely tainted...I won't comment further because that may get into the past, and things that happened (thus me being able to create my own opinions), something you obviously don't care about.

    Many of us who have commented on the Malahat situation have more time "on the job" than you have been on the planet!
    That's nice and your point would be?...state that your better than I. Makes no difference to me, just because of my age doesn't mean that I can't form my own opinions (not those of my family, thank you very much). Get over your experience, because as far as I'm concerned it has nothing to do with this situation.

    The fire hall isn't a private club, you know.
    Thanks Tips. I love it when people state the obvious. All we're trying to do is get back into the hall so that the community is safe again. Personally if I got into an accident on the Malahat I would refuse thier service until Mutial Aid arrived, because I KNOW the experience of the people at the hall...and frankly I wouldn't put my life in thier hands.

    The firefighters who walked out en masse and want to return will have to work with the new Chief, the District and each other to make things work. If you want to be the monkey wrench tossed nto the gears...get out now.. they don't need you!
    Maybe not me personally but they need the help and unfortunatly putting off accepting applications as long as they can get away with it isn't helping them any better. You know as well as I the amount of training that it takes to get up to par in Firefighting standards, and they're not meeting it, not even close.

    Wilson's War?
    Ha! lol, okay, lets put this one on the line...we all know how powerful the Wilson's are in this community, they must run it, you know all those people who walked out of the hall did it because they were under hypnosis of the Wilson Clan. Did you all know that they were told that they were not allowed to go back under the penalty of death done so by the Wilson Clan. That's why of the people that went back to re-join, a few of the Wilson Clan included.
    Give me a break...

    It's seems to me that it's some-what odd that Grown Adults like you so claim to be have to resort to "Name-Calling" when loseing a war with facts.

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    Originally posted by ToughJustice




    On the contrary this thread was started by Malahat27.




    Sorry. I stand corrected on this particular point.
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    Originally posted by "ToughJustice"

    And so he did, not being one of the members that re-applied.


    That is his choice. Let us all hope that he will support the Malahat VFD regardless of his differences with the CVRD.



    On the contrary this thread was started by Malahat27.


    Yes it was, and it was complimentary is nature until a member of the FD tried using it to ply for the sympathy vote. Other VFD's have "walked out"... none of them have garnered any support from the members of these boards, even from their brother and sister volunteers.


    Of Course I know what the truth is, and if I didn't I would be on here defending all of the people that you so graciously drag down. What you so claim to know about this community and the people who live in it is completely tainted...I won't comment further because that may get into the past, and things that happened (thus me being able to create my own opinions), something you obviously don't care about.


    It's a small village made up of mostly mobile homes and the top of a mountain. It's fortunate to have it's own fire hall. The unfortunate thing is that the members of the hall decided to quit en masse instead of working things out. The reason some of the issues were brought up and being answered were because there are people who care who are nowhere near Malahat.

    That's nice and your point would be?...state that your better than I.


    Nope. I just have a lot more experience.

    Makes no difference to me, just because of my age doesn't mean that I can't form my own opinions (not those of my family, thank you very much).


    Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it's wrong or given to them or influenced by others....

    Get over your experience, because as far as I'm concerned it has nothing to do with this situation.


    "Tuffie"... I have actually been inside of a burning building or two, or twenty or a hundred. Have you? I have seen personnel under my command injured in the line of duty. I have taken the lifeless bodies of children and adults out of fire ravaged buildings, car wrecks, watched close family friends and even infants die right in front of my eyes despite our best efforts to revive them.

    Experience is a hard teacher, those who forget the lessons are doomed to repeat them.



    I love it when people state the obvious. All we're trying to do is get back into the hall so that the community is safe again. Personally if I got into an accident on the Malahat I would refuse thier service until Mutial Aid arrived, because I KNOW the experience of the people at the hall...and frankly I wouldn't put my life in thier hands.


    It may your choice to refuse help or bleed to death, but I highly doubt that you would refuse help, and the members of the Malahat FD wouldn't let you die there.


    Maybe not me personally but they need the help and unfortunatly putting off accepting applications as long as they can get away with it isn't helping them any better. You know as well as I the amount of training that it takes to get up to par in Firefighting standards, and they're not meeting it, not even close.


    Who is reviewing the applications, CVRD or the new administration? The CVRD stated that those who wished to go back could, but with out the seniority that they had. There's a cost to play the game.
    What you call putting off applications may be screening applicants for a better fire department.

    PS: Would that training include time in the "rocket"?


    Ha! lol, okay, lets put this one on the line...we all know how powerful the Wilson's are in this community, they must run it, you know all those people who walked out of the hall did it because they were under hypnosis of the Wilson Clan. Did you all know that they were told that they were not allowed to go back under the penalty of death done so by the Wilson Clan. That's why of the people that went back to re-join, a few of the Wilson Clan included.
    Give me a break...


    A certain member of the family wore a lot of Mala "Hats", if you catch my drift. You can't tell me that nobody else wanted to help, for I know that's not true. It's nice to see that people want to come back, "Wilsonites" included.

    It's seems to me that it's some-what odd that Grown Adults like you so claim to be have to resort to "Name-Calling" when loseing a war with facts. Thanks Tips*
    * posted out of order to prove a point

    Fact: the CVRD changed the insurance policy.

    Fact: many of the members of the Malahat VFD walked out due to the change.

    Fact: Many of the members of the Malahat VFD realized their error and want to go back. I see this as a good thing, and I hope that those who left and those who stayed can resolve their differences. For the village of Malahat, that is a "win-win" situation.

    Fact: Training and safety issues cannot be ignored, otherwise, the Malahat VFD will be using that insurance policy.

    *PS: Tips? Tips? It's Captain Tips to you, darlin'. Now go to your room until you can treat those people on these boards with some respect.
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    Yes it was, and it was complimentary is nature until a member of the FD tried using it to ply for the sympathy vote. Other VFD's have "walked out"... none of them have garnered any support from the members of these boards, even from their brother and sister volunteers.
    Is this meant to show that anyone who walks out of a Fire Department for whichever reason doesn't recieve support? Because that is hardly the case. I can't say that I would ask for the support for anyone of the people that are on here, whether they think that I or we as a group are wrong or right, we did what we did and for good reason. If you can't see that point that's no skin off of my back, the only support that I need is that of my own, and those I walked out with.

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it's wrong or given to them or influenced by others....
    Whether or not it's wrong isn't that a matter of opinion again? Viscious Circle if you ask me. I create my own opinions personally with my own experience and thoughts. So who it is that may have this influence here, I'm not sure.

    Experience is a hard teacher, those who forget the lessons are doomed to repeat them.
    I agree, did you know that there is one person waiting to go back with 17 years of experience...the most that, that Fire Hall has ever seen. Along with 11 years, 9 years, a few of 7 and 5 years, a few more just under 3, myself just under 2, and a few that have been in for less than a year. If experience is so great explain to me why they're taking this stand.

    Who is reviewing the applications, CVRD or the new administration? The CVRD stated that those who wished to go back could, but with out the seniority that they had. There's a cost to play the game.
    Something that these people understand completly...it'd be nice to drop all those Mala"Hats" and do only the work that we volunteered to do in the first place, Firefighting, let other people run the show while we sit in the back, cause seriously I'm getting sick of the lime-light, but will these people be critisized the way that the previous group was? What's the difference?

    A certain member of the family wore a lot of Mala "Hats", if you catch my drift. You can't tell me that nobody else wanted to help, for I know that's not true. It's nice to see that people want to come back, "Wilsonites" included.
    Actually I can tell you that, and I did tell you that, only two of the seven recognizable positions were held by members of the Wilson family. As per people not wanting to help...let's put it this way, a probationary firefighter was asked to fill the position of another firefighter because he simply wasn't doing the job. I understand that sometimes people don't have the time, but if you don't then don't take the job on, and don't critisize those who do.

    It may your choice to refuse help or bleed to death, but I highly doubt that you would refuse help, and the members of the Malahat FD wouldn't let you die there.
    Just like I'm sure that the one of members wouldn't refuse to help one of the former members carry a young girl out of spite.

    PS: Would that training include time in the "rocket"?
    Why would I know that?

    It's a small village made up of mostly mobile homes and the top of a mountain. It's fortunate to have it's own fire hall. The unfortunate thing is that the members of the hall decided to quit en masse instead of working things out. The reason some of the issues were brought up and being answered were because there are people who care who are nowhere near Malahat.
    And we did this on our own accord, this hardly means that we don't care...again you weren't there, you don't know, and from what I understand your not opening up to hear from those other that whom you want to.
    "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." Something that you may want to think about.
    Let down your wall and be a little more open minded to the things that went on, everyone reads between the lines and in different ways at that...do you know where everyone stands on this...do you even know where I stand?

    Fact: the CVRD changed the insurance policy.
    Fact: The CVRD actually didn't change the insurance policy the newly appointed chief signed the policy off.

    Fact: many of the members of the Malahat VFD walked out due to the change.
    Fact: many of the members of the MVFD walked out when the CVRD staff called a meeting at the hall stating that the former Deputy would be filing the position of the Chief, and that we would not be allowed to recieve the upgraded insurance (this was later voted on by the board.)

    Fact: Many of the members of the Malahat VFD realized their error and want to go back. I see this as a good thing, and I hope that those who left and those who stayed can resolve their differences. For the village of Malahat, that is a "win-win" situation.
    Fact: Many of the former members of the MVFD realized that their point has been made (they hardly believe that any of their actions were errors). They want to go back to the hall completly devoid of any of thier positions, and wish only to do the tasks required of them. As far as I'm concerned there is no difference between the former members and those who didn't leave or went back before...like I said we've talked to the former members on numerous occasions, and any differences between these people have absolutly nothing to do with the walk-out. I can completly understand those who stayed, it was a hard thing to leave behind.

    Fact: Training and safety issues cannot be ignored, otherwise, the Malahat VFD will be using that insurance policy.
    Training and safety issues have nothing to do with the insurance policy, as far as I'm concerned everything that has come up previously has been dealt with. But will they be dealt with now? The current Chief was the only person who caused the Fire Department to recieve a WCB sitation during the time of the Former Chief. Also the current Chief served as Chief prior to the Former Chief's election. During this time he recieved a more than 13 sitations from WCB all simultainiously. This is now the leader of your pack.
    But on the insurance policy...this one will remain to be the one the CVRD imposed, since the former one was signed off.

    I'd have to at least have some respect for you in order to call you a captain and unfortunatly I don't, in order to have respect you must earn it, and I would think the same of you towards me. And just becuase you earned this position in your department means nothing to me, I just wish that some form of understanding could come of this, but it seems to be a defensive brick wall after defensive brick wall.

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    I joined the Malahat fire department just before all this insurance thing happened. I for one didn't even know that there was insurance to be honest untill the chief told me. I believe in my heart and soul that we were not fighting for the insurance just for ourselves but for every firefighter including the ones who went back and the ones who came in. I personally didn't have anyone twist my arm, hold my head or threaten me because if I didn't follow or walk out. I sat in those meetings and watched everyone of those people STAND behind their chief and each and everyone of them when they were asked were they 100% behind the chief if he stood up for what he believed and and the answer was YES. Now I believe that standing behind your Chief is a good thing just like if a captain was going down with the ship. I personally think he went out on a line for all the members and is what he should have done and only doing this because he felt he was being backed 100% as everyone around that table said and wrote that night in the letters. I maybe only new at this but I never got one phone call from the "Wilson clan" saying if you go back then we won't talk to you. I only recieved phone calls saying come down we need to support each other and there in fact is what we all have been doing supporting each other which is what should have happened in the first place. If all of those people who said that they were behind the Chief when he asked because he did say and I will quote " I will not do this and go balls to the walls if you guys are not behind me" everyone agreed and said they where..Now I say what is wrong with that picture

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    I just wish that some form of understanding could come of this, but it seems to be a defensive brick wall after defensive brick wall.
    Why yes it is....and soon you will run out of bricks and mortar.
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    I think that you misunderstood my meaning on that one...I have no reason to have a wall put up, really, what do I have to hide?
    What I meant was that it seems like people aren't as open-minded as they seem, ask questions, get answers, don't just assume.

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    We don't need outside opinions
    We don't want CVRD control
    No dark sarcasm on the forums
    Posters, leave us all alone..

    Hey, posters, leave us all alone..

    all in all it's just another brick in the wall...

    all in all it's just another brick in the wall...*

    *apologies to Roger Waters, David Gilmoour, Richard Wright and Nick Mason....PinkFloyd
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    I must say cudos to you for your creativity, does this mean that you have nothing left to say on this subject.

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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    A certain member of the family wore a lot of Mala "Hats", if you catch my drift. You can't tell me that nobody else wanted to help, for I know that's not true. It's nice to see that people want to come back, "Wilsonites" included.
    Well, I will come right out and say it. I am pretty sure that this refers to me. However, I feel that there are a few things that I should point out as to why I wore so many mala-“hats” (by the way Capt. that was the highlight of my morning).

    Every “hat” that I ever wore at that department was either because the person who was supposed to be doing that job wasn’t doing it; or when the position was up to be filled, no one took it. Furthermore, there were a lot of “hats” that I wore only for a few months at a time; until someone else came along to pick up that job.

    The fact that I end up with these “hats” is a simple matter of logistics. The department has always had a high turnover as a result of our local demographics. With a high turnover, which is typical in small rural departments, when you are fourth on the seniority list you end up getting tasked with a lot of jobs whether you like it or not!

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    Originally posted by pfire23
    Again, get your facts straight. For the record, water wasn't forth coming when the prime was pulled, so because I was not very experienced on that particular pump and didn't want to "break" anything by keeping the prime engaged for too long, I recognized that I was having a problem and immediately radioed for assistance, which happened to be your brother since he was the closest. You also failed to mention that once the pump was running there was NEVER a lapse in water supply or foam, water was drafted from the porta-tank without any problem.
    Your facts still have a bit of a curve to them as they are certainly NOT straight. Here is some additional information that you may not have known. Yes, mine not be straight either, but I think hearing another side to the same story might be entertaining.

    First, water wasn’t forth coming because the wrong valves where opened. I know those valves where closed when I started to lay out the lines because I was standing next to them while pulling hose off the truck (and no, they could not have been bumped open). As a pump operator it doesn’t take a lot of experience to know that if you are not getting a prime there is a leak in the system. Considering the exterior suction ports where all open while trying to pull of the onboard tank, that would certainly constitute the system not being tight.
    Second, you where radioed, not once, not twice, but three times to tell you to SHUT THE PUMP DOWN before it was shut down. In fact, some Mill Bay firefighters a few days later asked who was trying to prime for so long. Even though they where on the opposite flank they could still hear priming and priming and priming as if there was no tomorrow.
    Third, I was not the closest but rather I drew the short straw. We (the four of us on that crew) had just finished laying out the last of nearly 1000 feet of hose by hand through the bush and when it became evident that assistance was required at the pump a volunteer was asked for. No one volunteered, so once again like many of the “hats” that ended up wearing, I was asked to do the job.
    Fourth I am fairly sure that there was a loss of pressure during the change over because if I remember correctly the re-supply tender didn’t make it to us before the on board water ran out. I will confirm that in the next day or so.

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    As for this being a “Wilson’s War” it certainly is not. This insurance change effects six other departments, two of which did not have any insurance, two of which has similar coverage, and two of which had to reduce their covered. ALL of which are angry about the way it was implemented.

    When this entire issue started, Scott (former Chief) at a meeting told the membership exactly what was happening and gave them all a copy of the two different insurance policies. Later, after everyone was able to review the differences in policies, Scott asked the members what they would like him to do. There where two choices: Fight for the better insurance or signoff on it and accept the lesser coverage of the CVRD policy. Scott was not going to make the choice concerning the MEMBERS life insurance without input from them (something the CVRD criticized him of doing because as far as the CVRD was concerned it wasn’t any business of the firefighters what happens at an administration level), as he told me over and over that he could not in good conscience sign off on the insurance giving his firefighters less coverage.

    He was asked to fight for the better insurance; when in reality it isn’t “better” insurance, just the same as we have always had.

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    Mickey, to answer your question, no I have not opened up a lot of roofs in my time. That is something I will admit. As Jenn pointed out, there are not a lot of actual structure fires in our district (must be good fire prevention!) and as Gonzo point out, the majority of the structures are mobile homes, and you certainly wouldn’t find me or anyone else on my crew on the roof of a mobile home after/during a fire. That would be a safety issue, and we all know how concerned the ENTIRE forum seems to be about the safety of the Malahat Fire Department (funny how everyone can form an opinion without once asking anyone else other than Rick and Jenn. Where is the fabled BMI if everyone was so concerned? I would honestly enjoy them to give me a call, in fact, if anyone wants “the other side” of the story, PM or e-mail me your phone number, I will gladly foot the bill for the phone call regardless of where you live.)

    As for pipe time, if everyone needs to know, between the various practice burns over the years (and for everyone’s sake, I will NOT include “rocket runs” of which I have my fair share of) and the limited “real” fires and abundance of vehicle fires, in addition to live fire training in Nanaimo, I can say with confidence that I have more nozzle (or pipe) time than anyone else in the department.

    But the bottom line is, it doesn’t really matter how many roofs any of us have opened up or how many fires any of us have fought, because I am sure that without searching to hard I can find someone who has opened up or fought three or four times the number of anyone else and so on, and so on, and so on; so in the end it is all relative and really has nothing to do with the subject because if the truth be known, why not ask others, like Jenn for example, how many roofs she has opened up, or how many fires she has been into? If you want to question myself and Sarah, why not question everyone??? If you want to base opinion on experience, I can tell you that Sarah, despite the limited time in the department, has more than Jenn.

    If you want to get into a ****ing contest over who has been to more fires, who has opened more roofs, the difference between red and yellow fire engines, smooth bore or fog nozzles, than lets start another thread and I will be more than happy to throw in my 2 cents. Hell, even better, I think my phone service has five way calling, so lets have some fun. Gonzo, Mickey, Sarah, Jenn, myself... I wouldn't miss it for anything!

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    In closing, concerning the Rocket, I met a Captain with 20 years on the job with a Victoria area fire department who just happens to drive a snow plow in his off time. Two months ago he stopped at the department on his own accord (after plowing our driveway, which I am thankful for because it saved us from doing it by hand), and noticed the "Dreaded Rocket" and had a look at it. Last weekend I ran into him at a wedding and he said we are lucky, because he would trade his second due engine to have something like that to train his firefighters in. In fact, he asked that if we every got bored with it could he either 1) send his firefighters up for an evening or 2) rent a flat deck to relocate it to his department's training yard.
    Just food for thought.

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    Lastly, for the record, check my passport. I am Dixon, not a Wilson. ... so lets not generalize to much against "the family," since we are after all, the "don's" of the Malahat
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    In closing, concerning the Rocket, I met a Captain with 20 years on the job with a Victoria area fire department who just happens to drive a snow plow in his off time. Two months ago he stopped at the department on his own accord (after plowing our driveway, which I am thankful for because it saved us from doing it by hand), and noticed the "Dreaded Rocket" and had a look at it. Last weekend I ran into him at a wedding and he said we are lucky, because he would trade his second due engine to have something like that to train his firefighters in. In fact, he asked that if we every got bored with it could he either 1) send his firefighters up for an evening or 2) rent a flat deck to relocate it to his department's training yard.
    Just food for thought.
    For confined space rescue...maybe.. that is, unless

    According to OSHA my car is a confined space, yet I still drive it to work every day.
    You're using the car that day!
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