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    i deal with the place that does the r&d on these and on my last visit about a week ago the wouldn't alow me to see the new motor so i'm not sure , i will find out ,i agree with you inline six can handle so much if all fire trucks had a c-12 or 3406e thered never be a proble! can't back u up in the two cycle though! lol


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    We operate an F350 w/230gal & 5gal Class A. Wildfire BB4 Pump Hannay Reel, Highway Products Alum Boxs full NWCG Tool load and 3 person crew. The truck is rated at 13,000 GVWR, we come in at 12,375lb fully loaded with personal gear & supplies for operating 3 days without resupply.

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    If you want to keep the tranny from failing under the higher weight, do these steps:
    • Order a deep sump pan from Hughes Performance, this adds about 4 quarts to the capacity, which keeps the temperature under control.
    • Install the largest auxiliary cooler you can find, the B&M model 70274 is impressive.
    • Change the fluid to a high quality synthetic like Mobil 1, Amsoil, or Redline.
    If you really want to change it's acceleration characteristics, switch the Ring & Pinion to a 4.56:1 ratio (expensive since it's done in front & rear).
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    Cool trust a dealership?

    can you take out the slip in unit, if so take it out and tell ford this is a POS. We are know buying chevy and poss. dodge 4500-5500 for ambulances and brush trucks with 200 gallons of water and foam etc. But I think we will stay away from fords for now
    2-E450 with numerous turbo and tranny problems
    1-F450 with same problems
    all with 6.0L diesel
    older 7.3 diesel and would rather run that
    new chevy duramax ambulance on raod this week and time will tell.
    I understand we drive rigs hard don't let them warm up and put away hot with no ccol down time. We are hard on them all that aside we will always have some kind of problems it just seems like this is excessive. Good luck like already, go weigh it ans see. Good luck

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    our local private ambulance services have been having nightmares with the ford 350's. The only motor related problems have been with the 6.0's....the 7.3's were awesome. One local service went to the 08 chevrolet van style front end with the box...still, many problems.

    Bottom line is these trucks just aren't built to be driven hammer down all the time. They just can't do it, especially with the weight of a water tank/pump or a ambulance box. The new trend within the last couple of months around here has been to go with the bigger gmc 4500 as the ambulance chassis...I know of two locally that have been put into service....we'll see how they hold up.

    I can see how a 350 would have some problems as a brush if loaded too heavily. Our newest brush unit is a 650 with a 1000 gal. tank...works well.

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    Not if you Fix Or Repair Daily...

    IMO, 300 gallons is a bit much for an F-350. We run an F-550 with 300 gallons, but we also have to carry a lot of gear and a five person crew (forest service). We have it just about loaded to the max. It looks like BLM is starting to go with the GMC 5500s for there light (300 gallon) engines.

    Also, that 6.0 diesel seems like nothing but trouble.
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    6.0, in no particular order,had injector issues,turbo issues,and an occasional head gasket.A COMPETENT diesel mechanic or Ford tech should be able to find and install the upgraded parts to fix ANY of these issues.If you're installing multiple turbos either they AREN'T the right parts or they didn't do the other upgrades.300 gallons on a 350 is stretching the upper limits of chassis capability.Say what you will about Ford but I make a living fixing GM's and I don't/won't own one.I run my Fords about a million miles before I retire 'em and they get "tried"every day.My current small wrecker is a '96 F350 4x4 with 383,000 on the clock.It's due for some injector work but outside of that we've done nothing(outside of routine maintence)to the Engine. T.C.

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    If you're buying a Ford why would you buy a F350? Increase in price to a F550 is minimal. Change out to singles on the rear if it really matters to you.

    If you're using a skid unit why buy the diesel? To save $ on fuel? Over the 20000mi your driving in the next 20yr? And pay extra $6k to buy it and 40% more for fuel? Get the V10.

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    I want to thank all of you who has worked on this thread. We are in the process of going out to bid on a Brush Truck. With the information that has been thrown around here on this thread will help a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    If you're buying a Ford why would you buy a F350? Increase in price to a F550 is minimal. Change out to singles on the rear if it really matters to you.
    Well, you lose a lot of ground clearance on the 550, ours have very little room under the read diff.

    If you're using a skid unit why buy the diesel? To save $ on fuel? Over the 20000mi your driving in the next 20yr? And pay extra $6k to buy it and 40% more for fuel? Get the V10.
    Our diesels feel like they have more power on hills, over rough terrain, etc and they carry substantially more weight than our v10s. I would definitely go diesel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnufsh View Post
    Well, you lose a lot of ground clearance on the 550, ours have very little room under the read diff.


    Our diesels feel like they have more power on hills, over rough terrain, etc and they carry substantially more weight than our v10s. I would definitely go diesel.
    An added bonus is the same lesson we learned in WWII. We used gas engines in our tanks at the time and all the enemy had to do was lob a shell near one of them and they would start to burn. Diesel vapors are not as flammable as gasoline vapors.

    Some may say its not such a big deal but if you are off-roading there is always a chance that something might snag a fuel line. Nothing is more embarassing to a fire department as having their fire truck burn up at a fire.

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