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    Forum Member clancyxdogg's Avatar
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    For everyone who wants to see trucks with pumps and hoselines-what do your chiefs and deputys ride around in? Who is more likely to come across a car fire? I'll think a pump on a ladder truck is a good idea when I see the deputy pull up in a woods wagon.

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    My only real problem with quints is the wear and tear of a lot of vehicle when they are likely to run 80% of the time in this world for EMS calls.
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    "Every" is an awfully big word to have so few letters.

    In my particular circumstance, a tank and pump is important for two reasons: 1) the water system sucks and a pump is often needed to boost pressure to get an adequate fire stream at elevation, and 2) we don't have enough reserve apparatus to get us through many forseeable short-term maintenance issues. A quint is at best a poor replacement for an engine, but it beats walking or calling for mutual aid from 12+ miles away.

    The added complexity and weight doesn't make much sense to me where water systems are adequate and/or run volumes are high.

    As a budget/staffing concept, quints are a cop-out.

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    After 5 Pages, A lot of twists and turns. Back to the question at hand. "Should a ladder truck have a pump and tank?" And now, the moment you've all been waiting for, my answer. The Envelope, Please. (Drum Roll) And the answer is.... NO
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    As a budget/staffing concept, quints are a cop-out.
    ..this is true !!!!!! and Harve ................you are full off poop ! LOL ........ (just crackin on ya)
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    1st... If you can't put out a car fire with a Purple K or two of them you are an idiot shouldn't be a fireman. In fact Purple K to me seems almost more affective than water in some cases. Especially once liquid gasoline is involved. If the fire is that 1 in 1000 that can't be extinguished it should knock the fire down enough for the time it takes the 2nd due Engine to arrive. Based on what most of your call volumes are I'm sure it wouldn't be common for this to happen. As someone else said car/dumpster debris fires are not critical fires.

    2nd... The point of the military reference is not that a gun is designed to be part of the particular vehicle. (tank, Humvee etc.) But that it is a minor addition that really doesn't affect the engineering and fucntion of the entire piece.

    This would be similar to adding Presurrized Water Cans to a Ladder Company. A pump and tank however, does drasticly affect the design, engineering and mission of a specific piece of apparatus. This completely dupilcates the Mission and intent of the Engine Co.


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