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    Holy trolling Batman!
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    807,Not even close to accurate information.We've got a TRUE custom sitting right in bay one at Central station.Every compartment and dimension was from OUR spec.The truck was paid for upon delivery to the factory,the completed rig was paid for upon the successful passing of it's acceptance test. You get what YOU SPEC,if your builder can't/won't produce what you spec,find another builder. T.C.

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    Default Re: How to buy a new rig... And get what you want!

    Originally posted by Firefighter807
    1. Review all the manufacturers you are interested in.
    2. Choose ONE manufacturer and build your truck around their product line. Since no manufacturer will shear sheet metal to suit you and compromise their building practice, get the idea out of your head that you have the ability to make a truly CUSTOM rig.
    3. Have them give you a price. Negotiate it!
    4. Go to the powers that be and get the financing.
    5. Screw competitve bidding... It's a sham anyway! Wastes the time of the salesmen from the companies you don't want.
    6. Order your rig.
    7. Live happily ever after!
    Haha, either the salesman that you dealt with really scammed you, and put you in the mind-set that no manufacturer will do custom work for you, or you're a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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    Default Re: Re: How to buy a new rig... And get what you want!

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    Haha, either the salesman that you dealt with really scammed you, and put you in the mind-set that no manufacturer will do custom work for you, or your a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter.
    Well it looks like he hooked one!
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    Default Re: Reeling them in!

    Originally posted by Firefighter807


    Oh really now... Come on... who on your department is fire apparatus engineer?

    BS - Manufacturers who meet you EXACT compartment requirements must be using a rubber ruler.

    Quit the crap! Order what you want and forget the headaches!
    Hey buddy, are you on crack?? You just told everyone in your first post NOT to order what you want, and stick with what the manufacturer offers, and now your telling us to "Order what you want and forget the headaches!" I don't know about everyone else, but your mindless chatter is giving me a headache!! Anyone who cant get a manufacturer to build what THE DEPARTMENT wants shouldnt be on a truck committee, bottom line.

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    Question Re: How to buy a new rig... And get what you want!

    Originally posted by Firefighter807
    1. Review all the manufacturers you are interested in.
    2. Choose ONE manufacturer and build your truck around their product line. Since no manufacturer will shear sheet metal to suit you and compromise their building practice, get the idea out of your head that you have the ability to make a truly CUSTOM rig.
    3. Have them give you a price. Negotiate it!
    4. Go to the powers that be and get the financing.
    5. Screw competitve bidding... It's a sham anyway! Wastes the time of the salesmen from the companies you don't want.
    6. Order your rig.
    7. Live happily ever after!

    Who in your department are you all in bed with, with this dealer???

    Did he or she kiss you? Probably should have, cause I think somebody is getting a screwing!!!!

    You guys have lots to learn about spectfication writing and request for bids.

    I have an old comet auto for sale, if you guys are interested. It was only driven on Sundays, back and forth to church!!!


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    Say Old Timer,you aren't or the Comet isn't by any chance from Pasedena? hehe T.C.

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    Say Old Timer,you aren't or the Comet isn't by any chance from Pasedena? hehe T.C.
    Sorry wrong coast. I am on the right coast!
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    "screw the competitive bidding"

    I don't know what state you're in but here in NY state the Attorney General, State Comptrollers office and Office of General services might take exception to that policy. A local department did that when a condo developer offered to buy them a rig, the state found out and the Village (not just the FD) Police Dept, DPW... could not purchase from the state contract pricing for a period of like 3 years. Everything they bought they had to bid themselves under the eye of the Attorney General.

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    This is a pointless thread.
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    I believe that municipalities must use it unless it is declared an "emergency" .........and you can choose to throw out any bids that dont meet your spec.......I dont get this poster at all.
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    I guess someone is trying to justify their "state bid" or program truck to us.......

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    WHAT THE HELL!!!???

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    I think someone got boned!
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    Default Re: Writing the Specs...

    Originally posted by Firefighter807
    I have reviewed hundreds of fire engine specs in my 20 plus year career.

    Fire departments need to quit getting into the minutia of frame rail RBM, body material technical specs, or number of mils of the paint thickness (which they don't have the technical understanding of anyway)and concentrate on telling the manufacturer what they want the rig to do, they would get a rig that would perform the job they need it to do.

    I say let the manufactrurer determine the building details and the way to accomplish your tasks with their vehicle. You tell them the performance standards. Find the manufacturer you like and stick with them. Loyalty is a two way street and until Jesus is buidling fire engines, you are going to have troubles with them. Good fire engines aren't cheap and visa versa.
    For someone with 20+ years of experience, it sure sounds like someone pulled the wool over your eyes a long time ago.


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    Manufacturer: "Well of course I can, just sign here"

    Truck committee: "Duhhh, well okie dokie artichokie, but please make a good truck"

    Manufacturer: "Dont you worry, we will"


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    Originally posted by firenresq77
    I think someone got boned!

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    Originally posted by firenresq77
    I think someone got boned!
    Without the benefit of a sloppy kiss on the neck? Surely not!
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    807,You may find the RBM,and body specs "mindless" but there are a few FD's in the world(mine included) that can indeed make sense of all this "trivia" and use it to their advantage when writing building/performance specs on new apparatus."Who on your dept. is a certified engineer"Ah,I happen to have three but I don't think it's a requirement to run a truck body Cad.Personally I think you're just trying to stir the pot but I'll play along in the interest of education.I personally specced the chassis on our new pumper,Spartan's district rep came in,reviewed my specs and suggested two minor changes which we agreed to.One was a slightly smaller frt axle than my original.The finished product has met or exceeded our expectations and has the capability to serve the community for it's expected thirty year span.I hope to retire it before that but with tight economic conditions the truck was built to have a useful service life that long. T.C.

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    Thumbs up Spartan!

    Rescue101,

    I'm glad you have made the right choice when it came to chasis

    It is my hope that we can get another one for our next engine. Our 1991 is probably looking at getting a refurb into a heavy rescue soon.....

    What sort of body did you get? Did you go with a Crimson Fire(They're owned by the same company, if I remember correctly)?
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    No,ours is a custom built,one of a kind Central States.When we specced out the body Central didn't want to build it because it wasn't like anything they had built before.For the third straight time Central delivered,ahead of schedule and under budget.The truck was finished in time to show at the New England Chief's Show.There were a few problems early on in the project(one being a change of Chiefs)but Rosenbauer reps Frank Johns and Neil Bagdis did a great job of mediating the issues to our satisfaction.The truck drew quite a lot of attention and created requests for prints from Rosenbauer to several agencies.This truck was built to suit OUR specific needs and has surpassed all our expectations. I've had a hand in building our last five rigs but this was the first one done by "committee" and I don't think we missed much. T.C.

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    Our Spartan has a 4Guys body on the back. It's a nice truck, and works to our specs. She's 14 years old now, and the chassis has been superb. The body has held up pretty good too. It was funny, because when we bid our specs out, the E-One dealer stood there and ranted for an hour on the 4Guys body wouldn't hold up to what we wanted to do...And this was after he and the Pierce dealer outright refused to build on a Spartan chasis..

    It was funny, because we had to tell him "Look man, the chassis is already paid for. If you want to get the truck, you HAVE to build on the Spartan..."
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