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    We are looking at applying for a brush truck this year. I am curious at what others have paid for these units. I want to be able to compare actual price vs. manufacturers estimates.

    We are looking at F350 to F550 super duty diesel, winch, skid mounted pump up to 250 gallons, booster reel, hose bed for forestry hose, compartments, NFPA compliant. We are looking at smaller units, because they are more suited to our needs than larger units.

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    One of the depts. I worked with last year ('04) did receive the grant for a Brush truck. We asked for 150K but they negotiated down to 125K. Not sure what brand they ended up going with. We used the 150K off of the several quotes they got before application. I know the 125K meant they had to come up with more money, but they did it gladly!

    Good Luck!

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    We spent about $50K for our last one. F350 4x4 extended cab, 250 tank, 18HP Briggs powered pump, booster reel. Basic unit for a basic purpose, we don't have too much area left with open fields, mostly common park areas within developments and utility right of ways.

    I think what Dixie is talking about is a Class III or IV on an International type chassis. Even an F550 shouldn't be over $100K.

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    onebugle......email me...I have information
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    Go with an F350 and about 300 gallons of water.... can go as much as 400.

    I can tell you that you will get a decent one for between $75-100K.
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    If you are going with a light duty truck get at least an F450. Not that big a price increase. Better yet find a way to get a real truck. If you are doing a fire grant app for a wildland/brush truck. Plan it around a real chassis and ask for the $ required to do it right (which is not an F350). Means adding $20000 for a 4x4 Class 6 chassis that will last 20 yrs to your budget. And if you can justify that you probably can't justify the project at all. See threads in apparatus for other discussions.

    Trashed out 1T brush trucks are an old old story. An F350 with more than 200gal is just not a good idea, it is a light duty truck. Take a light duty truck load to GVWR, add 3 or 4 chubby firemen, a bunch of equipment we did not think about when planing the truck and the take it off road. GVWR is an on road rating. Cut the allowable payload if 1/2 if you are going off road.

    See https://www.hgacbuy.com/ for contract pricing. You need to send an email them to req issue if a password. Some pretty good pricing I thought.

    For example:

    Cab/Chassis
    F-450 Conventional cab; SRA; 15000# GVWR; Ford 6.8L gas engine @ 310 HP; 5600# front axle; 11000# rear axle; 141/60 wheelbase/CTA; 4-speed automatic transmission $18,683.00

    F-550 Conventional cab; SRA; 17500# GVWR; Ford 6.8L gas engine @ 310 HP; 6000# front axle; 11500# rear axle; 141/60 wheelbase/CTA; 4-speed automatic transmission $20,119.00

    C4500 Conventional cab; SRA; 16500# GVWR; GM Vortec 8.1L gas engine @ 225 HP; 6250# front axle; 11000# rear axle; 128/60 wheelbase/CTA; 6-speed manual transmission $19,574.00

    C5500 Conventional cab; SRA; 18000# GVWR; GM Vortec 8.1L gas engine @ 225 HP; 7000# front axle; 13500# rear axle; 128/60 wheelbase/CTA; 6-speed manual transmission $21,099.00

    Or for light duty trucks

    F350 Super Duty RC Chassis, 1-Ton, SRW, 5.4L V8, Man Trans, 9900# GVWR $13,389.00
    F350 Super Duty RC Chassis, 1-Ton, DRW, 6.8L V10, Man Trans, 11200# GVWR $14,394.00
    F350 Super Duty Crew Chassis, 1-Ton, SRW, 5.4L V8, Man Trans, 9900# GVWR $16,521.00
    F350 Super Duty Crew Chassis, 1-Ton, DRW, 6.8L V10, Man Trans, 11200# GVWR $17,397.00

    Other transmissions or add 4x4 or other options would be addon price.

    All Fords are Philpott Ford Sales
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    As you probably know on a bid/contract purchase warranty is not the same as for individual purchasing at a dealership

    HGAC also has contract pricing for several brands on slip on units.

    Your state purchasing office most likely has contracts you can purchase under. In Iowa they are higher thanthe hgac contracts.

    Iowa Contract prices are posted at http://das.gse.iowa.gov/purchase/Trucks05.html

    Item #23 – Lg Stand Cab/Chassis Pickup w/DRW 11,000 lb GVWR min, V-10 Auto Mid-States Ford Ford F350 XL 640A 36 $16,868.00

    Item #24 – Lg Cab/Chassis Pickup DRW 15,000 lb GVWR V-8 or V-10 Auto
    Mid-States Ford Ford F450 650A XL F46 $20,320.00

    Item #25 – Lg Stand Cab/Chassis Pickup 4WD DRW 15k lb GVWR min, V-10 Auto Charles Gabus Ford Ford F450 XL F47 650A $23,661.00

    Item #26 – Lg Crew Cab/Chassis Pickup 4WD DRW 15,000 lb GVWR V-8 or V-10 Auto Mid-States Ford Ford F450 650A XL W47 $26,870.00

    Item #27 – Lg Crew Cab/Chassis Pickup 9,200 lb GVWR 8-ft Body, V-8 Auto Mid-States Ford Ford F350 610A XL W30 $18,315.00

    Item #28 – Lg Crew Cab Pickup 4WD 9,200 lb GVWR 8-ft Body, V-8 Auto
    Mid-States Ford Ford F350 610AXL W31 $20,975.00

    Item #29 – Lg Cab/Chassis Truck DRW 19,000 lb GVWR 120-in CA V-8 or V-10 Auto Mid-States Ford Ford F550 667A XL F56 $23,752.00

    Item #30 – Lg Cab/Chassis Truck 4WD & DRW 19,000 lb GVWR 120-in CA, V-8 or V-10 Auto Mid-States Ford Ford F550 667A XL F57 $27,180.00

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    HGAC is the Houston-Galveston Area Council. I think it's around $2000 at last check to join, and I believe any municipal entity can join, it's not just Texas folks. Since everything is pre-bid there's no need to do the 3 bid thing like most states/cities/counties require. You can option out anything to 25% of the bid cost before you would have to then go back and actually bid the normal way. So if you make enough changes for a $300K truck to go over $400K, back to the bidding route. They have everything you could ever need. Everyone around here I know of buys through them, haven't found too many that don't like to save money.

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    Folks,

    Thanks for the info. Alot to think about in designing a new brush unit. We need something that meets our needs, without sacrificing performance. Our biggest conern will be the ability to manuver in the 30 miles of narrow fire roads in the forest.

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    we received a grant last year, but not for a brush truck.as a suggestion, our old unit was a custom brush truck with 300 gallons of water. when it was time to order our new one, we decided because of our terrain and our budget to go smaller. we chose a f350 diesel pickup with a skid unit. skid has 150gallons of water and a 15gallon foam system. we kept our cost down, our size down and did not lose any firefighting capability. plus as the truck gets wore out, you can easily sell it on the street. at our local fema presentation, we were told if your going to spec a vehicle keep it cheap and simple, ther is not enough money for bells and whistles.
    email me if you want to see pictures and or specs.

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