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    Question $$Maximum allowed for SCBA's

    Could anyone tell me what the dollar amount FEMA is allowing for SCBA's in the grants for this year. My rep quoted me $3318.00 with all NFPA compliant goodies. Thanks for the Help
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    $4500 at last check. SCBA, mask, spare bottle are all included in that total.

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    Also you will only get as many number-wise as they feel needed. We applied for 25 and they cut us back to 20. I'm pretty sure that was due to the number of members we had listed as active in the application portion.
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    If I remember, the number you could get was limited to the number of seated positions in your apparatus, too. I haven't read this year's guidance as we're not applying for SCBA this year.
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    Jack is right, it's still limited to seated positions on apparatus unless you have a really good reason for needing more than that. One being that any officers that respond directly to the scene need them.

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    you can ask for as many SCBA as you have seats in fire app. i have also recived a quote of $3800 for complete set and spare bottle for scott 4.5 and 2.2

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    Default SCBAs

    When you say SCBA, mask and spare bottle, does that mean that you are including a bottle as part of the SCBA and the spare is truly a "spare." I've had people say "SCBA, mask and spare bottle" and they mean only one bottle. Our quotes for prices cam both ways. Some said spare bottle but only meant one bottle in the price. Can anyone help interpret the lingo for me?

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    You can ask for a two bottles, one to be used in the SCBA, and one to be a spare. What you can't ask for is 10 air packs and 20 extra bottles to put on the equipment truck. Since you're only supposed to be in for 2 bottles and then rehab, by that time ought to be some sort of system available to refill bottles. Whether it's run them back and forth to the station, or if someone has a mobile cascade.

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    Thanks for the information. We are asking for 57 packs with a bottle and a spare. The chiefs would like to ask for 30 bottles on top of that to stock our rescue and ladder trucks that are first due for us and mutual aid to the nine districts we border; automatic mutual aid to five of them. Being as rural as we are and mostly farming communities, we don't really have support of mobile cascade systems. Plus, we ourselves cover 92 square miles so our firehouse to refill bottles can be 15-20 minutes from our furthest point. Don't know if any of these facts will help our cause but they want me to try.

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    The 57 with the bottle in the pack and the spare bottle you can ask for. The extra 30 you can't, as needed as they are. If you dig enough there's a fix for your problem. Can't share it, violates my business ethics since others have hired me for my creative alternatives and I can't hand out for free what others pay for. I can say I fixed the same problem for a department I worked with last year. There's always a solution, take a step back and think about it. I'm sure you can come up with something.

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    I was told last year that the number of scba that you could receive was the same number of seated positions on you trucks. For example if you had three trucks each truck set 4 members than you could get 12 air packs plus spare bottles.

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    'Tis true 1 SCBA & spare bottle per seat on apparatus. I was thinking that he said rescue trucks and ladder trucks meaning they had more than one of each plus engines, so 57 didn't seem that high. Not rescue and ladder trucks, meaning 1 of each. Although some folks actually put 10 seats in a 10 man cab, so it's not impossible. Must be small people in that area, those of us that eat on a daily basis have too much meat on us to fit in such trucks.

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    We have a fair size fleet of trucks but only one each rescue and ladder. Our rescue is currently set up to carry 27 extra bottles and our ladder truck carries an extra 3 bottles. And believe me, we EAT around here, but we do seat as many as a truck will hold. The extra bottles are just that, extra; not for a specific seat. I will gently let the chiefs down tomorrow night when I meet with them. I could be fun ... they hate it when a women gets to say "I told you so" in fire service.

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    Originally posted by BC79er
    Although some folks actually put 10 seats in a 10 man cab, so it's not impossible. Must be small people in that area, those of us that eat on a daily basis have too much meat on us to fit in such trucks.
    You just need bigger cabs. Ours fit no problem.
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    The only time you can ask for more bottles or more SCBA is if you can justify it in narrative. One example for a few more sets of SCBA I have seen given around here is the very Rural depts. often have officers responding straight from home/work. (Chief, IC etc) I know a few depts. that worked on. However, have seen some dept. that had large fleet, but not the volunteer numbers to justify large SCBA purchases and have seen them reduce their number awarded (no matter the number of seated positions).

    One possible justification for additional bottles (more than the 1 spare) would be large volume of structure fire calls and a very rural district, with no immediate air source. Although, as a grant writer, I would probably suggest a mobile air system or air of some type before applying for the additional bottles. This is just my opinion.

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    Default Re: $$Maximum allowed for SCBA's

    Originally posted by chiefmaden
    Could anyone tell me what the dollar amount FEMA is allowing for SCBA's in the grants for this year. My rep quoted me $3318.00 with all NFPA compliant goodies. Thanks for the Help
    My dept just received a grant for 2004 for 15 MSA packs for $77,000.00.

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    we were awarded 89K for 10 ISI packs with voice amp, and Hud, 10 spare bottles, larger cascade bottles, im not sure how many new bunker sets, it was one for every member, and it seems like something else but im not sure. And we had to send some back because they wouldnt approve our purchase, which sucked.
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    How many facepieces can you request in an SCBA request? Is it just one per pack or can you ask for extras? I haven't seen that subject addressed anywhere in the narrative.

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    We were able face pieces for every active member which also included voice amps.

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