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    Default Essential... Not Required .... Engine Company Hand Tools

    If you could only carry 4 hand tools on your engine .... what would they be??? Ignore the "requirements" by ISO for a moment ... these are the hand tools that you feel you truly NEED to do your job on your engine in your community.

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    Halligan bar
    Flathead Axe
    Closet Hook
    Sledgehammer

    Note: We do not run a truck company so we usually end up doing overhaul, hence the closet hook and sledgehammer.

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    Spanner wrench
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    Halligan bar
    Flathead Axe
    Sledgehammer
    Pike pole
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    Hand tools we use for our Engine work:

    Radio
    TIC
    Haligan
    Axe
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    Default Re: Essential... Not Required .... Engine Company Hand Tools

    Originally posted by LaFireEducator


    Halligan bar
    Flathead Axe
    Closet Hook
    Sledgehammer

    I'd trade the sledgehammer for a TIC.

    If you want non-electronic stuff, I'd have to vote for a hydrant wrench since tank water only holds out so long. . .
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    closet hook???? You must be joking. That is by and far the most worthless tool ever made. What can you do with a 3 foot hook that you can't do with a 6 foot hook or a halligan? A six foot hook would be a better idea so you could open up the fire area.

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    Halligan bar
    Flathead Axe
    Closet Hook
    6ft pike pole

    Never had to use a sledgehammer during overhaul...
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    Originally posted by jfTL41
    closet hook???? You must be joking. That is by and far the most worthless tool ever made. What can you do with a 3 foot hook that you can't do with a 6 foot hook or a halligan? A six foot hook would be a better idea so you could open up the fire area.
    Although I agree with you that closet hooks suck, I think the award for worst tool has to go to the Hux Bar. As a prying tool it is far inferior to the Halligan and as a hydrant wrench it's too freakin' heavy.

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    What can you do with a 3 foot hook that you can't do with a 6 foot hook or a halligan?

    apperntly, you don't do much work with trailer homes...
    more spefically, older models.

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    You will need:

    1. Hydrant wrench
    2. Spanner wrench
    3. Irons
    4. 6 ft pike pole

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    Default 4 essential Engine company tools

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    The driver/chauffeur/pump operators brain for knowing how to get to the fire and what pressures to pump at.

    The hydrant man's brains to know when to charge the supply line and meet the rest of the crew on the line.

    The knob/nozzle/pipeman's brain to determine the line to pull and proper method of fire attack.

    Last but not least...the company officer's brain to recognize the dangers involved and keep his/her crew safe and make sure that everyone goes home!
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    Sledgehammer and flathead axe seems redundant. Especially when you are only picking 4 tools.
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    Haligan
    Flathead Axe
    TFT Multi-use Spanner Wrench
    TIC

    That's what I'd want...
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    Id have to go with

    8lb maul (take care of flat head and sledge)
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    Nozzle (attached to a hose, with is attached to the pumper, which is hopefully attached to a working hydrant )
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    Originally posted by jfTL41
    closet hook???? You must be joking. That is by and far the most worthless tool ever made. What can you do with a 3 foot hook that you can't do with a 6 foot hook or a halligan?
    I'm guessing maneuver in a closet....hence it's name.....

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    4 tools for an engine company?

    1) hose and nozzle
    2) TNT tool. used to be flat headed ax, but I used this in a training, and I think I found my new favorite tool.
    3) hydrant bag, with spanner and hyrdrant wrenches.
    4) radio.

    of course, this is assuming that you have a truck company on scene to handle the truck co responsibilities.
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    I'm guessing maneuver in a closet....hence it's name.....
    Great so the member enters the building with this 3 ft. hook and all he can properly overhaul are closets...and we all know how many fires we go to that start in closets.

    I've done plenty of overhaul and even some in trailers and a few closets...rare but I have done it. There is nothing you can do with a 3ft hook that you can't do with a 6 ft hook. Plus in addition to that hook it is more benefical to have a halligan nearby for prying.

    The closet hook requires you to bend over to reach many things. and doesn't allow you enough distance back from the point you are pulling to avoid the falling debris.

    The closet hook is not a useful tool and only limits what you can accomplish on the fireground. In my former dept I used to always take a 6ft. hook when doing truck work/overhaul. Other guys would take that closet hook and what always happened...they would have to ask me to come over and do what they couldn't reach this, that or whatever...meanwhile I never had a hard time breaking open any walls as it is very simple to puncture the wall and insert the handle end down and pull away from wall breaking the bay open. No need for a "special" limited use tool.

    Carry a 6 ft. hook and halligan and that is all you will need to overhaul in most situations...a longer hook is only needed for high ceilings or tin..etc.

    Many of your depts are cash strapped...well start saving money by not buying this worthless tool.

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    We have found that the closet hook gets a lot more use than a 6' pike pole in OUR district due to the fact that we have a large number of mobile/manufactured homes and older, cramped shotgun type homes in our area ..in fact they represent a vast majority of our structure fires. As far as the sledge, we find a lot of brick homes in this area and we find the sledge a lot easier to use when it comes to having to open brick walls and fireplaces than the flathead or halligan.

    As far as a TIC, was thinking more along the lines of HANDtools for thios thread. Besides, we carry it on the rescue so in our department it's not an engine company resource. And yes, a hydrant wrench and spanners are sorta essential for engine companies ... guess I sorta "assumed" they would be on the truck.

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    Default Just 4 tools, eh?

    - hose (attack & supply) and an appropriate nozzle
    - halligan
    - flat head axe or TNT tool
    - hydrant wrench

    These 4 things, in competent hands, will allow an Engine company to carry out it's most basic job - putting water on the fire. Leave all the hooks & sledges etc to the Truck Companies (at least if you're going to be limited to 4 tools on the Engine . . .).

    Speaking of Truck Companies, here's my take on the closet hook debate. I have to side with the FDNY guys on this one. Most of the time, a 6' Hook and a Halligan bar will be sufficient to open any area up. If the area (say, a closet) is too tight to work with the hook, use the adz end of the halligan to pull walls & cielings. The heavier halligan bar will be just as, if not more effective at pulling materials than a 3' hook, in addition to being a thousand-times more versatile tool overall.
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    Default Engine tools

    The closet hook goes up there right with the USELESS T-N-T tool...

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    I believe all the tools that are represented in the fire service past, present and even future will and have had their merits. I think that the least amount of tools that will do the most amount of work is the answer. Form follows Function...K.I.S.S....

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    Halligan
    Flat Head
    Spanner Wrench
    TNT (Multi-tasking with limited tool options, this tool, despite it's problems, works for this situation.)
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    What an interesting thread!

    I'm not going to say the knob and line, because if my truck inspection failed to notice my PUMPER didn't have lines and knobs, I'd have more immediate problems to worry about than the fire (anyone know how to remove size 12 boots from your @*!). Besides, if that were the case, I'll trade that 200k pumper in for a very plush Silverado, or heck, even an Escalade (and be able to show substantial savings to the taxpayers!)

    You gotta do the most with the least. I agree, closet hook, useless. If you run all trailer homes, why not buy a six foot hook and get it cut down to 5 (no shorter) since you don't have any high ceilings, etc, but the extra foot would make it easier to use? Spanner wrench? Use the hydrant wrench. TIC, Radio, Gear, yup, but this is about hand tools so here we go, without any further delay.

    1.) Water Can. Sure, you have lines, but a water can and proper usage can be far more useful everyday. Let's not forget, how many of our runs are blowing out the windows?

    2.) Irons. Yes, one tool. If you are splitting them up, I can't imagine why. Marry them, they complement each other. Better than any TNT tool.

    3.) Six Foot hook.

    4.) A flash light. Yes most of us have survivors, or big eds, or even the three dollar elbow lights on the helmet, but bring a real light (litebox, garrity light, whatever). These things are remarkably useful. Its nice to leave a light in a doorway, and its also nice to have something so bulky and expendable (since you still have a light on your gear) that you can break windows with, leave as a door chock or whatever.

    This is all, of course, used in concert with the two things that should always be in your pockets (at least they are always in mine) a knife and some safety rope.

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    Just remember the tools are only as good as the guy using them.

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