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    I been thinking about this and I don't really understand this part, ok lets say your a busy full time Dept. you have a driver/operator, 2 firefighters, and an officer. I have heard and seen many times the officer going in with the two man crew which are on the line, he usually has his radio and TIC. Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of two in two out? When those two firefighters come out does that same officer go back in or stick with his crew while another two man crew plus officer goes in. I'm really not understanding, or when you see the practice of two men on the line and an officer does this not apply to the two in two out rule? Thanks for helping me understand. Thanks
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    OSHA has a disclaimer (!) on their regulations that states the 2 in / 2 out rule is not a minimum staffing regulation.

    If there is an incipient fire or urgent rescue then the crew could be justified in sticking together and going in. If not, the second arriving engine or truck should do the 2 out until/unless they are replaced with a dedicated RIT company.

    There aren't any circumstances that come to mind where four people make up an adequate response to a structure fire.
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    As the perfessor said, barring an "incipient fire" or "emergency rescue activities", you cannot enter an IDLH environment without two people ready on the outside AND without entering with 2 or more people on the inside. The two inside need to remain in contact (visual, audible, or physical, but not radio only). The inside team must be in contact with the outside team -- radio is permissible here.

    Where many of us start to have questions and opinions is in the definitions of the exceptions... "incipient fires" and to a greater extent, "emergency rescue activities."

    Search it out, we've been down this road many times before, with people far more experienced than I offering up some great information and examples.
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    I know we don't follow OSHA here in Chicago so there is no 2 in/ 2 out rule here.

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    we do 2 in 2 out. there is a sector officer at the door they went in with radio contact. sector officer stays at that point no matter what crew is in. we have sector officers at each side of building(in most cases) depending on lay out. every call is differant. be safe

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    We dont have the man power at my station to do 2in-2out, my next truck is 15 to 20 minutes away. I am only a 2 man truck.

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    I work for a department at major steel company we run with a 5 man crew, 1 dispatcher 1 Officer, and 3 Emt/Firefighters. When the situation calls for an entry team the 2 Emt/firefighters automatically are the 1st entry team. While the Officer has IC and the other Emt/FF runs the truck. Although the IC and the pump operator are geared/masked out and prepared to make entry as team 2 if needed. This system works well in the industrial setting that we apply it in.

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