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    Its Not Easy Being Green

    St. Pats Edict Has FDNY Members Angry

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    By Eyewitness News' Lucy Yang
    (New York -WABC, March 15, 2005) ó There is a nasty fight brewing within the ranks of the FDNY. Fire department brass issued a new, tougher mandate for how firefighters should look and act during the Saint Patrick's Day Parade.

    Firefighters are now so upset, hundreds say they won't march with the department. Eyewitness News reporter Lucy Yang is here with more.

    Several dozen firefighters gathered at a church basement in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx tonight ... And it wasn't to pray for understanding.

    They are furious over a recent edict from the department which states in boldface, "The wearing of green berets is strictly prohibited."

    Steve Cassidy, Union President: "It's a Bronx tradition a great tradition. To take it away makes no sense. We have real critical issues one of them should not be can we wear green berets. It's ridiculous."

    For more than 30 years firefighters, mostly from the Bronx. have topped off their uniforms with a green beret as they march in the annual St. Patrick's Day Parade. A picture from 1986 showcases several hundred in their Irish caps on 5th Avenue.

    John Rohr has been keeping this tradition for a quarter of a century and promises he will wear his beret this Thursday even if it means forfeiting his place in the parade.

    John Rohr, Retired Firefighter: "It makes no sense. We've done nothing to bring discredit upon the department."

    Keith Auletta, FDNY: "It's kind of slap in the face."

    Keith Auletta is Italian but he is fighting for the Irish now, for the right to don these hand knit hats.

    Auletta: "I would love to wear the green beret. I'm going to wear the green beret."
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    I just gotta shake my head and wonder what the hell they're trying to do to you guys. "The beatings will continue until morale improves" comes to mind.

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    Trampling on tradition

    Wednesday, March 16th, 2005

    "O Paddy dear, and did ye hear the news that's goin' round
    The shamrock is by law forbid to grow on Irish ground!
    No more St. Patrick's Day we'll keep, his colors can't be seen
    For there's a cruel law ag'in the Wearin' o' the Green ..."
    The son of Belfast Catholic immigrants, I grew up on Irish Republican songs like the "Wearin' O' The Green." But in my Irish-American hamlet of Brooklyn, I never imagined anyone being threatened for wearing the color green here.


    Then on Monday I received a call from FDNY Lt. John Leonard of Engine 60 in the South Bronx who was distressed that Fire Department brass had sent around a directive strictly forbidding members from the "wearin' of the green" at the St. Patrick's Day Parade tomorrow.

    Specifically, in all emboldened capital letters item No. 2 of the directive dated March 4, and titled St. Patrick's Day Parade, 2005, states: THE WEARING OF GREEN BERETS IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

    This was aimed directly at "The Green Berets," a group of active and retired firefighters from the 6th Division of FDNY, especially Engine 60/Ladder 17 on E. 143rd St. in the South Bronx.

    "The Green Berets started in 1970 when Willie Cottrell of Engine 60/Ladder 17, brought about 40 bright green wool berets - hand-knitted by his mother-in-law, Julia Brown - into the firehouse," Leonard says.

    In 1975, Acting Fire Commissioner Stephen Murphy signed Department Order No. 44 giving official permission for a Green Beret platoon to march in the St. Patrick's Day Parade.

    And they've marched in every St. Patrick's Day Parade since. Over the years, the number of Green Berets has swelled to about a thousand heads, as retirees and active members march side by side.

    Then came the recent directive signed by Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta and Chief of Department Peter Hayden, although the Green Berets say Hayden came up with the directive, yet refused to meet to discuss the matter.

    "My father came up through the ranks, loved the men and was the grand marshal of the St. Patrick's Day Parade once," says Stephen Murphy, the noted criminal defense attorney and son of the man who first sanctioned the Green Berets. "I know he's doing a jig in his grave right now over this absurd political correct nonsense."

    "It comes down to a disciplinary issue," says Frank Gribbon, an FDNY spokesman. "It's a paramilitary job, with a young membership, and the commissioner and the chiefs feel that the men need to be molded to respect the uniform. You cannot wear buttons, flowers, beads or a green beret with the uniform. The same will hold for all parades."

    Leonard, a 24-year FDNY vet, said he wouldn't do "anything to dishonor or embarrass the department.

    "All we are asking is to let us march on private time, in uniform, wearing our green berets. Is that so much to ask?"

    Of course it's not.

    "In this firehouse, there are black men, Hispanics, Jews, Poles, Italians, Irish," Leonard says. "We're brothers. And all of us will be marching as Green Berets in the St. Patrick's Day Parade. All the retired Green Berets are going to wear green berets come rain or shine.

    "But a lot of the senior active-duty guys are starting to grumble that they're going to defy the new ban.

    "I'm between a rock and a hard place here between tradition and orders. I am an officer in a paramilitary service. I do not want to disobey a direct order. But over 60 Green Berets, including Chief Peter J. Ganci and Fire Chaplain Mychal Judge, died on 9/11, and so we also march to carry on their tradition, their heritage."

    Leonard says he decided to speak to a reporter only after repeated attempts by the Green Berets to negotiate some kind of resolution with the FDNY brass were rebuffed.

    "No directive will ever stamp out the heritage of the Green Berets," Leonard says, which brought to mind the final lines of "The Wearing O' The Green":

    When laws can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow
    And when leaves in summertime their color dare not show
    Then I will change the color, too, I wear in my caubeen
    But till that day, please God, I'll stick to the Wearin' o' the Green."
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    NEW YORK -- The New York City Fire Department has ordered that no firefighters can wear green berets in the St. Patrick's Day Parade
    Thursday. The order has some firefighters thinking about not marching.

    NEW YORK -- The New York City Fire Department has ordered that no firefighters can wear green berets in the St. Patrick's Day Parade Thursday. The order has some firefighters thinking about not marching.

    The order is believed to be aimed at Engine Company 60 in the South Bronx, which has been wearing green berets since 1970. The idea started when a member's mother-in-law knitted 40 green berets.

    In 1975, Acting Fire Commissioner Stephen Murphy gave permission for the Green Beret Platoon in the Saint Patrick's Day Parade.

    Over the years the number of Green Berets has swelled to about 1,000 as retirees and active firefighters march together.

    But this year, Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scopetta and Chief of Department Peter Hayden came up with the ban. Fire Department Spokesman Frank Gribbon said the department felt it was a uniform issue, that wearing the Green Beret was not part of the uniform.


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    It's a shame what's been happening to the FDNY of late, but here are some more green berets that need our support:
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    Support the wear'n of the Green
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    Engine Co. 60 - Laddder Co. 17 Battalion 14

    THE GREEN BERETS--SOUTH BRONX

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    Support the GREEN BERETS of the Boogie down South Bronx.

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    The NYC Saint Patricks Day Parade is about celebrating OUR IRISH HERITAGE AND WEARING OF THE GREEN. It isn't about what the bosses want or what they think will make the dept. "better" or more disiplined. That should be reserved for when we are ON DUTY. This is a day for the people and the Irish...not some stuffy Azzhole bosses who have completely lost sight of what they should be doing...like focusing on Radios and Ropes for starters...we just buried 3 brothers 3 months ago and THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE FOCUSED ON?!?!?!

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    Gee, they didn't pay to repaint the truck after issuing the "Nickname Ban"??

    The brass are being MUTTS!!
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    The Green Berets Going to work in the Bronx last month.

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    Dress Code (No Green Berets) Annoys Parading Firefighters
    By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE

    Published: March 16, 2005

    With the St. Patrick's Day Parade just a day away, New York City firefighters are speaking out against an order that would overturn a 30-year-old tradition - the wearing of green berets in the annual march up Fifth Avenue.

    The beret ban is just one of several requirements and clarifications handed down in early March for the parade by the chief of department, Peter E. Hayden, and Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta. It stipulates that firefighters must wear only dress uniforms in the parade. Nor may they wear beads, buttons or flowers. Out-of-town firefighters must now march at the rear of the column. And pets are not allowed.

    "This is all about respecting the uniform," Deputy Commissioner Francis X. Gribbon, the department spokesman, said. "It's simply that. This is a paramilitary organization. We have a dress uniform. And the senior chiefs in the department, particularly, wanted to enforce the rules and regulations."

    The beret ban has provoked, by far, the greatest indignation.

    "What's the sense of taking away the hat?" said William C. Nolan, president of the Emerald Society, which helps organize the St. Patrick's Day Parade. "Is it going to make you march better?"

    The distinctive green berets were first donned by members of Engine Company 60, Ladder Company 17 and the 14th Battalion, all units based in the Bronx, during the 1974 parade. At the time, most of the members of the units were of Irish descent.

    Fire Commissioner Stephen J. Murphy blessed the practice for the 1975 procession, and three years later the "Green Beret Platoon" was given an official position in the department's parade lineup, directly behind the Emerald Society's famed bagpipe band. In recent years, a growing number of other firefighters have begun wearing the berets while marching with their own units.

    Mr. Nolan, a retired firefighter, accused Chief Hayden - whom the Emerald Society named "Irishman of the Year" in 2003 - of going back on an earlier promise to permit the berets.

    "He looked me in the eye and said, 'No, I'm not going to do anything about the green berets this year.' And then the next day, he put out the order," Mr. Nolan charged. "He lied to my face."

    Mr. Gribbon disputed that account, saying it was "not an accurate representation of his conversation with Chief Hayden" and that "no decision had been made at that time by the Fire Department."

    He said the order was spurred both by increasingly lax sartorial discipline on the part of city firefighters marching in the parade and by the steady influx of non-New York City firefighters who travel here to march with their brethren, often in civilian clothes.

    "We've met with the parade committee, and they've expressed some concerns," he said. "They want us to look sharp, and they want us to look uniform."

    Firefighter Tom Martin, currently a member of Ladder 17, said he and his fellow firefighters were "very unhappy" with department's decision. The Bronx units met over the issue last night and were planning a news conference today.

    "It's kind of hard to say how we're going to respond," Firefighter Martin said. "We don't want any conflicts. We don't want to put any of the guys in dangers of being transferred or losing pay, which is what they were threatened with. We're not looking for conflicts."

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    How stupid. Why fight these pointless fights just to prove who's in charge? This is what happens when "administrators" take over.
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    Firefighters seeing green?

    BY WILLIAM MURPHY AND JOSHUA ROBIN
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    March 15, 2005, 6:37 PM EST


    The St. Patrick's Day Parade will be a bit less green this year after firefighters were banned from wearing green berets.

    Also on the prohibited list: no dogs or other pets with firefighters in the line of march. No civilians marching in firefighter ranks. No painted green heads or other oddities from years past.

    "We're trying to have firefighters look sharp, a little more disciplined, a bit more like a paramilitary outfit," Fire Department spokesman Frank Gribbon said Tuesday.

    The unions representing firefighters and superior officers did not make an issue of the edict, although the ban has been a hot topic on firefighter Web sites since the order went out earlier this month.

    "If anyone acts inappropriately, they will be told by someone, an officer or a firefighters, not to embarrass the job," said Peter Gorman, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association.

    Any firefighter found out of uniform will be ordered barred from marching and could face disciplinary action, according to the department order, which went out to all fire commands March 4.

    "I'm not going," one Bronx firefighter, who asked not to be identified, said of the parade. "This parade is about the people, not the bosses. I'm disgusted."

    More than 200,000 people are expected to participate in tomorrow's parade up Fifth Avenue, according to John Fitzsimons, one of its directors.

    The first marcher is scheduled to step off at 11 a.m., following a morning Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral. It is expected to take about seven hours for all marchers to parade up the avenue to 86th Street.

    The grand marshal this year is County Kerry native Denis Kelleher, 66, president of Wall Street Access, a wealth management firm, and chairman of the board at St. John's University in Jamaica.

    Four hours of live coverage will air on NBC, and most candidates for citywide office are expected to participate in what is one of the benchmarks of the political season.
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    Jay:
    The administrators will be the ones wearing the beanies with the little propellers on them!
    It's just a matter of time before they ban kilts. First the berets; then the kilts.
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    How cool would it be for a hat company to make thousands of these green berets and give one to EVERY SINGLE parade participant. In a darker shade of green on the front, they can print "FDNY Chief Hayden can kiss my blarney!
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    Firefighters may sit out St. Patrickís Day Parade
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    March 16, 2005, 2:46 PM EST

    If they can't march in their green, they won't march at all.

    In response to a Fire Department order prohibiting its members from wearing their customary green berets during the St. Patrick's Day Parade, hundreds of firefighters will watch from the sidelines Thursday -- clad in their traditional holiday headgear and civilian clothes, several firefighters said Wednesday.

    The group will gather along the parade route at the steps of the Metropolitan Museum of Art to "support our brothers and sisters as they march," said Lt. Eddie Boles of the 14th Battalion in the Bronx. But they will not defy orders prohibiting the berets, and they won't march without them.

    "We understand the need for discipline," Boles said Wednesday during a press conference. "However this tradition, the tradition of the green berets, has deep significance for us and we wanted to express our disappointment."

    The Fire Department issued an order on March 4 declaring that only the blue dress uniform, including the official uniform cap, could be worn during the parade. In capital letters and boldface type, the order banned the green berets.

    Fire Department officials did not immediately return calls for comment or explanation.

    Attorney Brian O'Dwyer, who held the press conference in his office, said he would file a complaint with the state Division on Human Rights charging that the Fire Department "discriminated against them in their ethnic traditions and in the free exercise of religion." He acknowledged the move came too late to affect this year's parade.

    The tradition of the green berets dates back more than 30 years to a Bronx firehouse. In 1970, the mother-in-law of a firefighter with Engine Co. 60 knitted dozens of green berets for the firefighters on St. Patrick's Day.

    In 1975, the department gave the group official parade status.

    They've worn their berets in every parade since.

    Although there is no official organization, they count about 1,000 members, including current, former, and retired members of the battalion, said Boles. Boles is not a spokesman for the group, but he said he was confident his colleagues will join the protest.

    "It was a matter of pride," said Firefighter Jim McCarthy, who has worn the berets for 16 years. "It's a demonstration of Irish heritage and it's one of the things we hold dear."

    Non-Irish firefighters wear green berets as well out of loyalty to the firehouse, McCarthy said.

    The parade has been a New York tradition since 1762, and controversy has surrounded it for nearly as long.

    The Ancient Order of Hibernians, which organizes the event, has refused to allow lesbians and gays from marching in the parade under their own banner. An alternative, all-inclusive parade in Queens was launched six years ago to include groups like the Irish Lesbian and Gay Organization.

    The Bronx firefighters hope their silent protest will speak loudly.

    "It is with great pride that I put my uniform on and I march up Fifth Avenue with my green beret, expressing my love for the department and expressing my love for my Irish heritage and culture," Boles said.

    On the Net: http://www.fdnygreenberets.com.
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    FTM!!! If they don't want your Berets, then they don't get you in there........ They're just looking for something else to go after you guys for.......
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    I support you brothers whole heartedly. Depending on where I wind up for the parade, perhaps I may see some of you at the Museum.
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