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    Default So the trucks first on scene, what do you do now?

    ok, this is a question for the truckies in the audience.

    you are dispatched to a working structure fire. Chief is on scene, establishes command. truck (tower ladder) is right behind him. no pump on the truck, engine is 4 minutes out. house is fully involved upon arrival.

    what does the truck company do? being from an engine company for my entire career, I've always had a nozzle and hoses to put the fire out. now that I moved, we have a truck company, and when our other house runs only engines, we tend to run the truck first to many structural alarms. and we had a call (BS AFA) where the truck arrived first. and I had no clue what we could do.

    so, my question for the truckies, what can you do if you are first on at a structure fire?
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    Default What do Truckies do....?

    ...truck work. Just because the engine is not yet there doesn't mean there isn't a lot the Truckies can do. Forcible entry, search&rescue, get set up to ventilate, set up ground ladders for access/egress, help size up the structure, clear bystanders to a safe distance etc. etc.

    edit: almost forgot, secure those utilities too.
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    Locate and confine the fire as best you can!

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    Default truck first in

    Well, in your question you stated that the house "was fully involved" Most likley the structure already self vented. In your example there will not be a viable victem to rescue interior, and with that level of involvement you would not be entering the structure to search or rescue. Your not going to check the fire by controling the door, or using the can.

    You however could perform a 360 size-up, looking for and informing command of any hazzards like propane tanks, gas meters, electrial wires, possible patients exterior, un-seen exposures, exterior grade changes that may conceal a possible basement apartment from the A side, or gates,fences or other obstructions that would deny access to a portion of the yard or structure hampering the engine crew from making the stretch.

    in addition to the other functions listed in previous posts.

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    Even most "full involved" structures have some parts that aren't.
    We pulled up on a fully involved structure a few days ago and it had a front room that could have had someone at the door.
    Like mentioned before their are several things that can be done.

    This doesn't have to be just for the first due ladder. We can have a number of things that delay water. So we still need to search, ventilate the fire room, place ladders, create access (FE) secure utilities. Keep a pump can or APW with you. You're not going to extinguish the fire but you can push it back and close a door. Or keep the fire in a room while you search past it.

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    Is there a rescue problem ? If so deal with that.
    If not start thinking about exposures, In my district the situation you describe would pretty quickly involve B&D side exposures. That's where I would ladder and make sure occupants are out of the exposures.

    By that time the first engine should be there and you begin coordinated operations

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    Thats why trucks should have pumps
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    I think that thread has been pretty well flogged already

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    "Thats why trucks should have pumps"

    Hey, look! The ambulance/BC/Investigator is first on scene!


    Should they have pumps, too?

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    If truck's first on scene, then -- as others have said -- do what truck does.

    Sticking to U-LOVERS and following procedures will not lead you astray. There may be a few things that can't be done to fire conditions and no available attack line, but that's where good decision-making skills by the truck's personnel come into play.

    And this way the truck chauffeur doesn't have to worry with negotiating his way around poorly positioned engines and supply lines!

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    Originally posted by KingHippo
    "Thats why trucks should have pumps"

    Hey, look! The ambulance/BC/Investigator is first on scene!


    Should they have pumps, too?




    I think it is the failed "E-One Trident"... ambulance/engine... Phoenix uses them as arson units now.
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    ...Touché.

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    Originally posted by ranahan


    And this way the truck chauffeur doesn't have to worry with negotiating his way around poorly positioned engines and supply lines!
    AINT THAT THE TRUTH!!!!!
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    All of our trucks do have pumps. We actually have used them.Not too much for handlines though.

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    Originally posted by KingHippo
    "Thats why trucks should have pumps"

    Hey, look! The ambulance/BC/Investigator is first on scene!


    Should they have pumps, too?

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    The house is fully involved right?

    Well the Truck will do more or less the same thing the Engine would do. Search the area surrounding the structure for jumpers that jumped prior to our arrival, examine the exposures for extention and set up for large caliber stream operations.

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    TL should have had the front on that one.
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    Back then I'm sure they would have been lucky if only one of TL 107, 170 or 120 was available. Historicly speaking the company availablity wasn't exactly nominal at that time in ENY.

    But technically you are correct.

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