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    Post Freeze! I Just Had My Nails Done!

    I saw this on a NYPD web site...just thought it would stir some interesting discussion.


    FREEZE! I JUST HAD MY NAILS DONE!
    by Ann Coulter
    March 16, 2005

    How many people have to die before the country stops humoring feminists? Last week, a defendant in a rape case, Brian Nichols, wrested a gun from a female deputy in an Atlanta courthouse and went on a murderous rampage. Liberals have proffered every possible explanation for this breakdown in security except the giant elephant in the room who undoubtedly has an eating disorder and would appreciate a little support vis-a-vis her negative body image.

    The New York Times said the problem was not enough government spending on courthouse security ("Budgets Can Affect Safety Inside Many Courthouses"). Yes, it was tax-cuts-for-the-rich that somehow enabled a 200-pound former linebacker to take a gun from a 5-foot-tall grandmother.

    Atlanta court officials dispensed with any spending issues the next time Nichols entered the courtroom when he was escorted by 17 guards and two police helicopters. He looked like P. Diddy showing up for a casual dinner party.

    I think I have an idea that would save money and lives: Have large men escort violent criminals. Admittedly, this approach would risk another wave of nausea and vomiting by female professors at Harvard. But there are also advantages to not pretending women are as strong as men, such as fewer dead people. Even a female math professor at Harvard should be able to run the numbers on this one.

    Of course, it's suspiciously difficult to find any hard data about the performance of female cops. Not as hard as finding the study showing New Jersey state troopers aren't racist, but still pretty hard to find.

    Mostly what you find on Lexis-Nexis are news stories quoting police chiefs who have been browbeaten into submission, all uttering the identical mantra after every public safety disaster involving a girl cop. It seems that female officers compensate for a lack of strength with "other" abilities, such as cooperation, empathy and intuition.

    There are lots of passing references to "studies" of uncertain provenance, but which always sound uncannily like a press release from the Feminist Majority Foundation. (Or maybe it was The Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, which recently released a study claiming that despite Memogate, "Fahrenheit 911," the Richard Clarke show and the jihad against the Swift Boat Veterans, the press is being soft on Bush.)

    The anonymous "studies" about female officers invariably demonstrate that women make excellent cops even better cops than men! One such study cited an episode of "She's the Sheriff," starring Suzanne Somers.

    A 1993 news article in the Los Angeles Times, for example, referred to a "study" - cited by an ACLU attorney allegedly proving that "female officers are more effective at making arrests without employing force because they are better at de-escalating confrontations with suspects." No, you can't see the study or have the name of the organization that performed it, and why would you ask?

    There are roughly 118 million men in this country who would take exception to that notion. I wonder if women officers "de-escalate" by mentioning how much more money their last suspect made.

    These aren't unascertainable facts, like Pinch Sulzberger's SAT scores. The U.S. Department of Justice regularly performs comprehensive surveys of state and local law enforcement agencies, collected in volumes called "Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics."

    The inestimable economist John Lott Jr. has looked at the actual data. (And I'll give you the citation! John R. Lott Jr., "Does a Helping Hand Put Others at Risk? Affirmative Action, Police Departments and Crime," Economic Inquiry, April 1, 2000.)

    It turns out that, far from "de-escalating force" through their superior listening skills, female law enforcement officers vastly are more likely to shoot civilians than their male counterparts. (Especially when perps won't reveal where they bought a particularly darling pair of shoes.)

    Unable to use intermediate force, like a bop on the nose, female officers quickly go to fatal force. According to Lott's analysis, each 1 percent increase in the number of white female officers in a police force increases the number of shootings of civilians by 2.7 percent.

    Adding males to a police force decreases the number of civilians accidentally shot by police. Adding black males decreases civilian shootings by police even more. By contrast, adding white female officers increases accidental shootings. (And for my Handgun Control Inc. readers: Private citizens are much less likely to accidentally shoot someone than are the police, presumably because they do not have to approach the suspect and make an arrest.)

    In addition to accidentally shooting people, female law enforcement officers are also more likely to be assaulted than male officers as the whole country saw in Atlanta last week. Lott says: "Increasing the number of female officers by 1 percentage point appears to increase the number of assaults on police by 15 percent to 19 percent."

    In addition to the obvious explanations for why female cops are more likely to be assaulted and to accidentally shoot people such as that our society encourages girls to play with dolls there is also the fact that women are smaller and weaker than men.

    In a study of public safety officers not even the general population female officers were found to have 32 percent to 56 percent less upper body strength and 18 percent to 45 percent less lower body strength than male officers although their outfits were 43 percent more coordinated. (Here's the cite! Frank J. Landy, "Alternatives to Chronological Age in Determining Standards of Suitability for Public Safety Jobs," Technical Report, Vol. 1, Jan. 31, 1992.)

    Another study I've devised involves asking a woman to open a jar of pickles.

    There is also the telling fact that feminists demand that strength tests be watered down so that women can pass them. Feminists simultaneously demand that no one suggest women are not as strong as men and then turn around and demand that all the strength tests be changed. It's one thing to waste everyone's time by allowing women to try out for police and fire departments under the same tests given to men. It's quite another to demand that the tests be brawned-down so no one ever has to tell female Harvard professors that women aren't as strong as men.

    Acknowledging reality wouldn't be all bad for women. For one thing, they won't have to confront violent felons on methamphetamine. So that's good. Also, while a sane world would not employ 5-foot-tall grandmothers as law enforcement officers, a sane world would also not give full body-cavity searches to 5-foot-tall grandmothers at airports.

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    very interesting article. and written by a woman no less. about damn time someone stated the obvious.
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    Boy Howdy !, If that isnt one of the most blatantly Politically incorrect pieces of writing I've seen in a long time!





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    But there are also advantages to not pretending women are as strong as men, such as fewer dead people.
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    Originally posted by pvfire424
    Boy Howdy !, If that isnt one of the most blatantly Politically incorrect pieces of writing I've seen in a long time!





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    It's called gendernorming.

    Pretty stupid really. There are differences physiologically between men and women. You think people would figure this out and exercise an ounce of common sense. I guess I am asking too much though.
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    Anne Coulter is such a frickin' joke. She takes one incident that could've happened to anyone, and attacks thousands of female LEO's who do their job every day in a professional manner. Typical conservative knee-jerk reaction to a tragic incident. If Coulter is so dedicated to putting women back in the kitchen where they belong, then perhaps she needs to get her sorry *** in there, as well, and leave the "reporting" to the men.

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    She didn't say she wanted them back in a kitchen. Where is the common sense? You put a 55 year old short woman with a guy who is about half her age, known violent crime history, built like a linebacker, and you just walk him down the hall.

    Men and women are treated differently in many aspects when it comes to physical agility tests for public safety jobs. Can't be done, nor should it be done, but yet it is. Sorry, you pass the same exam I do, be held to the same physical agility and testing standards and I'll be quiet about it.
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    I couldn't quite tell Noz. , Are you for females in the Public Safety Field, against, or dont consider gender and have one test for everyone ?

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    I couldn't quite tell Noz. , Are you for females in the Public Safety Field, against, or dont consider gender and have one test for everyone ?
    What I'm against is idiots like Coulter using one incident that could've happened to anyone to judge thousands of other people who do their jobs every day, male or female. It has nothing to do with "tests". The guy reached and grabbed her weapon, probably before she even knew what was going on. I'm sure it's happened to plenty of male police officers, as well. To follow Ann Coulter's logic, all police officers should be male, 6' 5", 280 lbs., simply because she thinks that these types of people would do a better job of "wrestling" with a prisoner. So, what if the prisoner is an expert in Kung Fu, and kicks the living crap out of the large men? Do we now require all LEO's to be Kung Fu masters, too? The system and certain procedures should be addressed in this situation. Making blanket statements about every female police officer based on one incident is stupid. There were plenty of male officers there when this happened; I guess they weren't capable of doing their jobs, either.

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman

    What I'm against is idiots like Coulter using one incident that could've happened to anyone to judge thousands of other people who do their jobs every day, male or female. It has nothing to do with "tests". The guy reached and grabbed her weapon, probably before she even knew what was going on. I'm sure it's happened to plenty of male police officers, as well. To follow Ann Coulter's logic, all police officers should be male, 6' 5", 280 lbs., simply because she thinks that these types of people would do a better job of "wrestling" with a prisoner. So, what if the prisoner is an expert in Kung Fu, and kicks the living crap out of the large men? Do we now require all LEO's to be Kung Fu masters, too? The system and certain procedures should be addressed in this situation. Making blanket statements about every female police officer based on one incident is stupid. There were plenty of male officers there when this happened; I guess they weren't capable of doing their jobs, either.
    While this is one incident, this has happened MANY times (as the research can prove). And the fact is, women DO get treated differently than men. They should not be given special treatment because they are weaker, and that is what she is talking about. Yes, there are women out there that can kick my butt, but 99% can not. A criminal is more likely to fight with a petite female officer than a slim male officer. At least we know that the male officer was able to pass the physical test.

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman
    If Coulter is so dedicated to putting women back in the kitchen where they belong, then perhaps she needs to get her sorry *** in there, as well, and leave the "reporting" to the men.
    I'm sorry, but I think you might be the only one that came to that conclusion from her article. I think your hatred for her has clouded your opinion on this article.

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    Sorry can't resist.

    Noz, are you in favor of females in the public services, such as deputies, police officers, corrections officers, firefighters, etc.

    Are you against females in the public services.

    Or do you think there should be one and only one physical standard for any or all of those jobs, regardless of gender, height, weight, hair color, skin color, or any other human variables ?

    Think of it as multiple choice. A. B. or C.

    I'll start , C

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    Originally posted by millerman


    While this is one incident, this has happened MANY times (as the research can prove).
    Which research? I'd like to see it.
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    I'm sorry, but I think you might be the only one that came to that conclusion from her article. I think your hatred for her has clouded your opinion on this article.
    Oh, I can't stand the bitch, myself. But, it's not this one article. I know damn well her stance on issues like this, as well as many others. She is a disgusting human-being, whose used rabble-rousing to make herself a tidy little fortune. She makes me want to puke all over my shoes just looking at her.
    Or do you think there should be one and only one physical standard for any or all of those jobs, regardless of gender, height, weight, hair color, skin color, or any other human variables ?
    That's a loaded question, and you know it. Just how high do the standards need to be? Benchpress 250? Run 30 miles per hour? Be able to jump tall buildings? Or, do you do what Coulter does...just shut out entire segments of employment, based on gender? Do you set the standards to where the average woman has no chance in hell of making it, then call that "fair"?

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    Hmmm scraches head

    No loading of any question, and if you wish to acuse me of Rebel-Rousing , you may if you wish.

    Choice number one : For having Women in the public services. Public services defined as a municipal job typically demanding the employee have some degree of physical competence.

    Choice number two: Against having females in physically demanding Public Safety positions.

    OR MY choice Otherwise known as ... Choice number three: Create ONE physical standard regardless of gender (I will forgo the smartassery to avoid confusion). Choose your physical standard. X amount of bench press, X amount of pull ups, X amount of time to paint one's nails without getting polish allover one's cuticles. (Dang I tried not to be too much of a smart-alec )

    Now I ask thee, what is your choice ?

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman



    That's a loaded question, and you know it. Just how high do the standards need to be? Benchpress 250? Run 30 miles per hour? Be able to jump tall buildings? Or, do you do what Coulter does...just shut out entire segments of employment, based on gender? Do you set the standards to where the average woman has no chance in hell of making it, then call that "fair"?

    The standards should be what it takes to do the job SAFELY and most efficiently.

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    Originally posted by millerman
    The standards should be what it takes to do the job SAFELY and most efficiently.
    So long as they are the same for both genders. If I need to bench press 1 1/2 times my body weight, then a woman should too. If I need to push a patrol car X amount of feet as a man, then a woman should have to move it the same amount of feet. (This was the test in New Hampshire a few years ago.)

    No gendernorming. No double standard.

    Just like affirmative action ending, I doubt that I'll ever see it.

    Equal rights, any way you can get it right? Even if it means not being equal.
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    No loading of any question, and if you wish to acuse me of Rebel-Rousing , you may if you wish.
    "Rebel-rousing?" What the heck are you talking about? I was talking about Coulter, not you.
    Now I ask thee, what is your choice ?
    Let's get this straight, Robin Hood; I'm not against standards...but setting them so impossibly high as to systematically prevent women from working a certain job is ridiculous. Again, what should "standards" be? Kung Fu master? Able to bench 500 lbs.? Run faster than a cheetah? Ann Coulter attacked this woman for something that could've happened to any person. And, as usual, she did it without an ounce of reputable research to back up her absurd claims. In fact, her entire post is nothing more than baseless rant, designed to (once again) blame everything wrong on people who don't think like her. Coulter is nothing but an arrogant fool, making a buck off of paranoid right-wingers who like to blame all their misery on liberals. That woman can talk for hours and not say a damn thing.

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman


    Let's get this straight, Robin Hood; I'm not against standards...but setting them so impossibly high as to systematically prevent women from working a certain job is ridiculous. Again, what should "standards" be? Kung Fu master? Able to bench 500 lbs.? Run faster than a cheetah? Ann Coulter attacked this woman for something that could've happened to any person. And, as usual, she did it without an ounce of reputable research to back up her absurd claims. In fact, her entire post is nothing more than baseless rant, designed to (once again) blame everything wrong on people who don't think like her. Coulter is nothing but an arrogant fool, making a buck off of paranoid right-wingers who like to blame all their misery on liberals. That woman can talk for hours and not say a damn thing.
    Again, the standards should be set to that

    1) the person will be safe
    2) they are able to perform their duties
    3) are not a liability to the department, or even their partners
    4) and I'm sure I could give more examples if I wasn't so tired...

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