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    Hi,

    I was on Tomball TX FD website, I notice they had a pumper/tanker that was 3300 Gal/100Gal Class A foam and 2250GPM pump. I have never seen a pumper/tanker this big. Its this possible or is it a misprint?
    If its true, that must weight A LOT.
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    P.S. Does anyone know how a vollenteer deparment can be ISO 1? they must have REALLY good response times.

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    E-One makes a large industrial pumper:
    http://www.e-one.com/industrailvehic...loneIIx113.asp

    By the way, did anyone notice E-One boasting on their website that their new Brontos are 'so high-tech' that it required an 8 hour training course to operate?

    I don't think I'm crusty, but maybe I'm getting old. I thought it was better to have simpler operations....
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    Im curious as to why they have such a large class "A" cell. Normaly it would be the other way around.
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    There is a school of thought, that many volunteer departments have used successfully to achieve very low ISO ratings, that was originally championed by Larry Stevens (now deceased). His firm that provided consultation on such matters still exists, and the web site is:

    ISOslayer

    Some pretty unconventional ideas, but he has achieved success. He spent a great deal of time on these forums, and to say Mr. Stevens was opinionated is an understatement. I will leave it at that.

    I believe Tomball was one of the department's that he helped.

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    Is such a thing possible for non-industrial use? Of course. Check out some of the even more interesting trucks below.

    From LHS's site:

    FIRE DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE USED MY SERVICES FOR GREAT ISO GRADES AND EQUIPMENT
    http://www.tomballfd.com/
    http://www.crosbyvfd.org/
    http://www.magnoliafire.org/
    http://www.churchillcounty.org/fire/index.htm
    http://www.springfd.com/
    http://www.geocites.com/baja/trails/7873
    http://www.staffordfd.homestead.com/
    http://www.nltfpd.net/
    http://www.ci.houston.tx.us/hfd/index.html
    http://www.gvfd.org/
    http://www.ci.loveland.co.us/fire/firemain.htm
    http://www.berthoudfire.org/
    http://home.adelphia.net/~gibbles/
    http://www.sambassfd.com/
    http://www.friscofire.org/
    http://www.marionva.org/services/fire/

    And don't forget the heavy emphasis on the Turbodraft.

    "Some pretty unconventional ideas, but he has achieved success. He spent a great deal of time on these forums, and to say Mr. Stevens was opinionated is an understatement. I will leave it at that."

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    Default for big rigs .........

    check out the Baja trails site and do a ssearch for Ofallon Nevada........those I think are some of the best engineered units out there. I am post a link if I get a minute .........
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    Default had a minute ............and a typo it was Fallon NV !

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    "By the way, did anyone notice E-One boasting on their website that their new Brontos are 'so high-tech' that it required an 8 hour training course to operate?"
    Ok, now listen, I thought the goal in life here was to simplify the operations of vehicles? Did I miss something? How about controls that simplfy and allow even the newest of operators to operate like a pro?

    Am I missing something or is this a marketing twist with new found rocket scientiestry here?

    Yes, I know I will get my backside slapped by someone for busting on a manufactuer! But this one just can't slip by...LOL! and being that someone else brought it up first, I won't take the hit!

    Stay safe and have fun....

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    PS- There are tons of 3000 plus rigs out there and Resq14 did a nice job hunting up some the oddest and wild fire apparatus in the U.S.! Congrats!

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    thanks for the replys,

    I was on Fallon NV website, They have impressive rigs. One thing I dont get is response time. They said they have to be able to flow 500gpm to 4000gpm for 3hrs. Well thats great if every one shows up.In many volenteer departments, getting enought manpower durring the day is hard. They can show up to a fire with 10,000 Gallons to a house fire, but if only 4guys are there its going to be tuff.

    They say average responce times are less then 6min, thats about average around here for a volly department(depending how far you are away). But in 6min that house could be fully involved. The next departments mutual aid could be 5 more minutes away.

    The city department around here has responce times of 3min or less. they are ISO Class3. they have way less equiptment than Fallon but they are full time and get there before the fire gets too big.

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    Is it possible for Tomballs rig to exist? Yes, it does in fact exist. Quite a few departments in the greater Houston area have very unique and "somewhat extreme" rigs in service. I like to think that we in this part of the country have finally begun to think outside the box in terms of apparatus specs and purchases. #1 rule in back to the basics apparatus purchase: You tell the builder what you want because it works for you, not what they are willing to build because it works for them. Just a thought.

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    Default Re: Is a truck like this possible??

    Originally posted by Ledebuhr1


    P.S. Does anyone know how a vollenteer deparment can be ISO 1? they must have REALLY good response times.
    ISO does not evaluate response times. To many variables.

    Go to http://www.isomitigation.com/ppc/0000/ppc0001.html

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    Thanks,

    I thought that big truck from Tomball was a misprint, I dident think you could put 3300Gal, and 100Gal of foam on that kind of chassis. That must be one high hose bed.
    I guess everything really is bigger in Texas.

    Why doesent ISO use response times? Maybe a department can flow 500gpm for two hours when eveyone on the department shows up. What if they are all at work? or it takes 7 minutes to get to the fire? Not much to save then.

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    Go read http://www.isomitigation.com/ppc/0000/ppc0001.html
    then read www.isoslayer.com Will tell you what you should know.

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    Or when you only have 4 people around and between two rigs you can lay 3000'+ of 6" to sustain it. Just a thought.
    Stay low and move it in.

    Be safe.


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    Yes, these beasts of trucks are good looking and work somewhat well, but talk to the fire departments who have them and they will tell you that they didn't need all of that stuff and who wants to hand load 6inch hose by hand? Ya'll really need to talk around and get ALL the facts from those departments about their trucks before you decide to by a Beast of a truck.

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    Originally posted by firemech4
    Yes, these beasts of trucks are good looking and work somewhat well, but talk to the fire departments who have them and they will tell you that they didn't need all of that stuff and who wants to hand load 6inch hose by hand? Ya'll really need to talk around and get ALL the facts from those departments about their trucks before you decide to by a Beast of a truck.
    There was a man by the name of Larry Stevens, LHS* here on Firehouse...

    He boasted the Fallon and Rattlesnake rigs as often as he could, and would try to get any department to go that route. So many people heard it so many times, we've all been left with a little LHS* library in our heads...

    I think we all heard enough of it...

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    Originally posted by firemech4
    Yes, these beasts of trucks are good looking and work somewhat well, but talk to the fire departments who have them and they will tell you that they didn't need all of that stuff and who wants to hand load 6inch hose by hand? Ya'll really need to talk around and get ALL the facts from those departments about their trucks before you decide to by a Beast of a truck.
    Thanks for sharing, specify the "facts" to which you refer. Being intimidated by something that is large is a personnal problem. Get over it.

    Are you are objective oriented or comfort oriented? If standard is 1000gpm, x' from water source, and you only have Y men and Z trucks available the make your plan. Layhose, many tiny tankers, a few big tankers?

    What possible relevance does ones personal interest in picking up LDH have to do with anything? Presumably also not intersted in driving a large tanker. So not interested in meeting the standard?

    Get outside the box of mediocracy. Get an agreement in place with the local jailer/sheriff/jail to provide a crew of inmates to come retrieve, wash, and reload the LDH. Or use a powered reel.

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    You have know Fallon is not a city very sparsley populated. I think they cover like 700 sqare miles, they take everything they need to a fire, even water. We don't all live in cities so trucks like this are needed. For a 3 min. response every house would need a fire truck.

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