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    I work in a high school and it is prom and graduation time. The school SADD asked me if I could get them some pictures of drunk driving crashes for the posters. I have one or two, but if people here have additional ones, I would appreciate it if they could be e-mailed to me. The FD already has an extrication drill scheduled here, but additional reminders are always needed (remember when you were in High School!!)

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    lynn, do u want pictures of the cars, scenes where people died/were seriously injured, or what? because if so , I have a good on that i can send you.
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    17 - just sent you one.
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    If you guys can, would you share the pictures with all of us and post them here? Also, post them under the St.Paul Fire Dept. thread so our friend Bozz can have something to think about. Thanks.
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    I would enter a picture into a thread but i don't know wo to do it . If someone can tell me how to put a picture into a poct from a file on my comp, ill post it.

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    Here you go, notice the windshield. That hole is from the drivers head!
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    I would just want pics of the cars, and maybe a description of what happened at the accident. No blood and gore.

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    Why not the blood and gore????In my daughters Jr. year at highschool 5 kids in her all sports class were killed by drunk driving accidents. There was even one that just lost control of his expensive car on the highway. But mostly they involved drinking. After the prom a very drunk kid drove his buddie home. They are no longer with us. Anyway I question your request for no blood and gore. I feel what ever it takes to get through!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    most people that drink and drive actually think they are a better driver with a few beers in them. when i was in school in england we were shown some graphic pictures of car wrecks where the driver was drunk. Did it stop people doing it no. most kids think they are invincible after a few beers, will they have an accident and kill someone the response was it would never happen to me.
    My wife works part-time at a fast food place in town and when she got home tonight at 11:30 she made a comment about how many people whent through the drive thru drunk, probably 60% of them.

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    I agree that seeing the bad pictures won't stop most people from drinking, even kids. The ones it will help however are not the ones intent on drinking. It's the ones that aren't real sure about it. Information gives people power. The power to actually say NO! I'm not getting into a car with you. The power to call home when they have crossed that line. The power to say I am not interested.

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    You are right. If seeing pictures stops just one kid getting behind the wheel after a beer then its worth it. I am a big on the idea that if they have to take a car to make sure they have a designated driver that will not be drinking.

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    Actually, your most powerful statement isn't necessarily that if you drink and drive, you will die, but if you drink and drive, or practice any other high risk behaviour without taking steps to protect yourself, you won't die!!! You may however be paralysed for life, or spend the rest of your life in an institution, or be horribly disfigured. That is the message that gets through to teens. They don't think it will happen to them, when a teen dies, they are gone.........forgotten eventually. Besides, dying is kind of a romantic notion........big funeral, everyone crying and consoling each other, heartfelt eulogies. If they are injured, they will only get better right? Just a broken arm or leg right? Arrange for a tour through a rehab or long term care facility. Line up speakers who are now in wheelchairs to speak to them about what their life is like now compared to how it was. How they have to wear diapers, or have someone bath and dress them. Hit them where it hurts, vanity, privacy and ego.

    There is another thread here that features a young girl who was horribly burned, and has launched a campaign against drinking and driving entitled "Not everyone who gets hit by a drunk driver dies" All I can say is POWERFUL!
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    Here is another one that could be used for your posters.

    http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...threadid=69024

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    I am one who does enjoy drinking. 2 of my kids are older and there wasn't as much hype about drinking and driving back then. But my younger 2 have grown up with the negitive attitude of not drinking at all or not drinking and driving. Even though I go out drinking and dancing regularly, they are both against any drinking. All the support does pay off.

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    I did get one picture with obvious blood on the seat, and the vice principal said that he didn't have any problem with blood and gore. I am also going to put the other thread's video onto a CD for them to put onto a loop.

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    I used an excellent song in my presentation. Might be a little old now as many of the students won't recognize them but still a powerful song.

    It's called "Turn it off"and is a duet with Phil Collins and Sting. Worth a listen. If you listen carefully to the words you can easily adapt them to injury prevention.
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    Our highschool in town puts a very crunched car on the front lawn of the highschool each year at this time. Each year it shows blood membrane and all. It has a sobering effect on many. Especially when the wreck was from one of the high school students after prom. (after that year the school stated throwing their own after prom and graduation parties at the school)

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    I don't know where you could get some pics from, but the drunk driving simulation is a good idea. My high school had one, and they had an assembly afterwards where a woman who lost her son to a drunk driver spoke. Normally assemblies at my school were loud, but at this one you could hear a pin drop.

    Another idea to consider is to have someone who was convicted of DWI and have them speak about their experience and how it affected their life (ie jail time, fines, SATOP classes, etc). Maybe once students hear from someone who has been down that road and see just how bad a DWI conviction messes up your life, they may think twice. I have a friend of mine that is fixing to go to court for their 2nd DWI and now they won't be able to go for the career that they wanted to go for, and seeing what they have been through has kept me from it.
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    I agree with medicchick... I think that you should have someone come in and talk from MADD and someone who has been covicted of a DWI... I know that over the past few years that at my high school that they put on an assembly with everyone going to prom with someone came in and talked about the road that they lead by having to go to jail because of their DWI. Some people it leaves impression and such. Two years ago when I was a shopmore there was a mock car crash. Now I that it had impact on me because I want to be a firefighter and I know the bad parts of the job. If it had impact on others who knows. Like other people said blood and gore will not freak anyone out. Most people who do not get sick over it will be like ohh kool that neat. They never think that it could happen to them. You will need more than just pictures of cars you will need pics of what happened after the accident. However most people already made up their mind. It is cool to drink so I will do it. Is what plays in most people's minds. I can honestly say the after my prom this year I will not drink at all. To me there is not point in drinking to have a fun time. There are alot of other important things in life to focus on and if I start to early I can get hooked on it and I don't want to have that happen.
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    Posting this again as it is very powerfull. Written by a mate down country.

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    Several years ago I wrote this true account (at least, true as I saw it) of a motor vehicle accident ("MVA") on State Highway One just north of Plimmerton. It was published in the New Zealand Listener, and on the internet on several sites around the world. I have received a number of messages from people who felt positive about it, including a school in the United States who are using it in their anti-drink driving classes, and a paramedic whose wife said that it allowed her to understand his work for the first time.
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    MVA, 1am

    Frantic scurrying in the back of the truck, bunker coats, reflective jerkins, latex gloves under our leather ones. Suddenly there, all leaping into the black unknown through our different doors. Grabbed the High Pressure hose from its reel, undid its brake, dragged it like a mad bastard towards the knot of police and stopped drivers who were standing on the roadside, looking down into the deep ditch where the car was bound to be. Late model, white, balanced precariously about 45 degrees over on its side, straddling a narrower but even deeper ditch. The ringing cold air betrays the darkness - "Three trapped! Three trapped!".

    A figure in street clothes runs, grabs Ian, demands a scoop stretcher. "We don't carry those, ambulance'll be here in a minute". "Jesus! Every decent fire engine's got them on! ****!" he accuses, plunges down the bank again onto the unstable car. The police seemed too preoccupied to care, so we leave him there, carry on. For now we won't dispute his ownership. I run back to 351, find the heavy rescue line. Returning with it nearly ran straight into by a guy with a skinhead, covered in blood. Two ambulance guys and a cop grab him, guide him away. "I need to go back down, I need to go back!" The driver? His eyes wide, really wide. Sirens approaching from all directions, helicopter or the thought of one in the distance.

    I slide down the steep bank, but loose control, crash towards the bottom, skittle two firefighters - yelling, they think the car is falling on them. They forgive, I don't... Who the hell am I? F@king shyte! Who the hell am I?

    My job to ensure the car doesn't tip over onto the rescuers working around the low side. Tie a heavy line to the central roof support, yelled for every free person on the scene to hang onto it. Someone hears, frantic action, tension in the air, tension on the line. Later its necessary to cut the roof off, the line being shifted to the back roof support. I call for the centrepunch to break through the rear quarterlight window, the only unsmashed window in the car. I realised then that there was another kid in the back seat, so I got a blanket to protect their face from the breaking glass.

    For quite a few minutes we cover him, touch his shoulder, talk to him. I stare at a deep cut in his arm for several seconds before I slowly realise why its attracted my attention - its not bleeding. Should have realised this boy was dead, but no-one told us. Pull the blanket completely off and see the deep wound in his back where his spinal column had been. We cover him again, but a bloodied hand and one foot in its pristine Doc Martins boot are at such unnatural and strange angles the blanket is too small to cover them.

    Three probationary firefighters, never seen anything like this before. We keep talking to them as we have time, trying to help them focus on what theyíre doing... every few minutes I look again and find them staring at the body, or at something in the distance I can't see. Their lives will never be exactly the same - not worse really, just not ever the same. Something taken, something given. Perhaps they already knew.

    Working with the heavy, awkward Jaws of Life... cutting the roof off... it's necessary to move one of the oxygen bottles... the only place it would be out of the way was the back seat.... an older fireman reaches over and places it in the arms of the dead boy.... "don't think he'll mind" he mutters to himself, smirking embarassedly when seeing I've heard him.... two half laughs.

    Two most seriously trapped, both front passengers, the girl on the boy's knee. Now utterly wedged between the seat, the crushed wreckage of the dashboard, the wall of the ditch the car had come to rest in. A deathly embrace. A woman's whimpering and faint screams, continuously for the hour it takes to get her out. Its a good sign, she's got the energy to fight.

    "Leave me alone! Leave ME! I'll get myself out! LEAVE ME!!!!".

    A bloodied arm shoots from the wreckage, grasps a fireman by the collar, has to be prized off. We are hurting her so badly, so very very, very badly. We're her friends, her worst tormentors. Words of rationalisation in the air, thoughts in every head, rebellious notions in every guts.

    Both with broken legs, severe internal damage, many less serious injuries. Chantelle, the woman, had bit her lower lip almost completely off. White teeth showing through fruit pulp flesh. Both covered in blood, some their own, some from their dead friend who must have been crammed up against them both immediately after the crash. A knot of ambulance officers crowded in amongst it all, their bright yellow jackets heavily stained with blood and other body fluids. The milky white roof lining lying on the grass, a very large, visceral stain in one corner, still liquid.

    Finally we get the boy out too, carried his stretcher awkwardly up the steep bank to the waiting helicopter. Brown bottle glass crunches underfoot.

    At least one dead, probably more by today. These six kids chose an unnewsworthy way to be irreparably damaged and to die. You probably won't hear any more about it. Maybe it'll get a paragraph in the Post tonight. Shame there wasn't a cute dog in there to rescue.

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    As a carload of six drive north a man thrashes through a horrible dream... a young man is going to die, nothing can be done. Nothing can save him. He wakes suddenly, sweating. Ten minutes later he still lays there, wondering what it might mean. Heís seen a lot of real death that hasnít affected him like this dream has. The familiar thin fire siren whine steals into the room. He pulls the blankets over his head like a child. "Arenít you going?" asks his wife, rolling towards him. "I canít!" he says, "Heís already dead - thereís nothing I can do. I canít go to this one". Its 1am.

    A probationary firefighter has just got home after his first real fatality. He moves awkwardly, afraid to touch anything with his hands that seem to him pulped now, fruit pulped like those lips. Heís afraid of leaving bloodstains where he touches. His fingers look normal, but heís caught it somehow. Everything hurts
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    I wish they would do those live demonstrations at the high school here. The administration was a bunch of pansies when I was there, and it seems they still are now so it would never fly. Plus, it might wreck the grass in the field... wouldn't want that!
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    Really good article of a LIVE demo of an extrication for Highschool juniors and seniors.

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