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    Default Vent the Window? What do YOU think?

    Take the test .... see what you think .... you are approaching this room fire 'without water' to undertake a quick primary search for victims .... what are your actions?

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    Excelent post, Mr. Grimwood!

    I looked at the picture, assessed the situation and I did vote... and I chose wisely!
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    Good job on posting this Mr.Grimwood. I took the test, chose wisely........picked that one word. haha. I know I'm right on this one

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    I voted as well... nice thread.
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    I don't have a heck of alot of structure fire experience, but enough to know that! At least that's what I was taught. I hope it's right. Without spoiling anything, I have not seen as much closing of the doors behind the interior crews. Very interesting stats on that. Those are new to me.

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    Thanks for the post! I too "read the fire" and made a good choice. Since we don't see as much fire as we used to around here... it is good to know that you still retain some of those skills that experience give you!
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    I voted ............good thread for sure .........
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    I voted too, good thread.
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    Constructive and instructive threads like this are the best! Good thread.

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    Originally posted by prymtym
    I don't have a heck of alot of structure fire experience, but enough to know that! At least that's what I was taught. I hope it's right. Without spoiling anything, I have not seen as much closing of the doors behind the interior crews. Very interesting stats on that. Those are new to me.

    Great post!
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    I know. I meant that as I've been taught that way, trained that way, and fought fires that way so I HOPE it's right. Kind of like in a joking sense. It's unfortunate that I'm not really very funny .
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    No problem. Take it easy man.

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    Great thread, thanks for passing this on!
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    Thanks for your interest in this thread/article and for taking the test

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    I concur, good article (and yes, I got it right too ).
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    Very good. Very good indeed.
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    Default Re: Vent the Window? What do YOU think?

    Originally posted by PaulGRIMWOOD
    Take the test .... see what you think .... you are approaching this room fire 'without water' to undertake a quick primary search for victims .... what are your actions?

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    Paul, what happened to your site? It is now a Task Force Tips website??? I was going to print out the article and take it to work for a little discussion.

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    erics99 -

    Thanks for pointing that out! The site went down last night. It has been hosted 'free' on TFT's servers since 1999 and they advertise throughout the site in return. This saves me a whole lotta money as it's a BIG site



    I have relayed the problem to TFT and hopefully the Firetactics.com site will be up and running again soon!

    Thanks again.

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    Damn, I'm away from the forums for a couple of days when finally a really good thread starts, and then by the time I get back again the link isn't working.

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    Up & Running

    Originally posted by PaulGRIMWOOD
    Take the test .... see what you think .... you are approaching this room fire 'without water' to undertake a quick primary search for victims .... what are your actions?

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    Excellent thread and very interesting article.

    My question would be - given the apparent size of the room in the picture (you can see the corner of the room behind the fire), if you were a three man search team without water.. would you send two FF's into that room and close the door, or send one in for a primary search while as an officer you directed from an open door? Would appear to me, and I'd be happy to accept that this room may not illustrate the kind of snatch rescue search that the article really addressed, that closing the door on a primary search team on a room of this size would hamper rescue efforts (difficulty communicating, time taken, movement of personnel and possible victim). Would love to hear opinions or experience from anyone.

    Also would like to hear from others whether while performing a primary search on for example a residential occupancy with fire conditions in a room similar to that, would you close that door (without searching that room) to prevent additional fire spread, write off the survivability of that room and concentrate your primary search to areas immediately adjacent (high risk areas)? Or would you commit personnel to that room first?

    Again, great article, and would appreciate others input.

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    Fawlty -

    You make an excellent point and observation. The article carried a two-fold message.

    1. Air-control should be maintained either at the street door and/or at entry to the compartment itself.

    2. Air control should be maintained by not venting the window in question prior to water being applied to the fire.

    Your points are most valid. I would agree that the room is not large and visibility in this case appears good. I would still control air-flow entering the main street doorway. I would agree that room may well be searched by one firefighter, under the circumstances, with 1-2 outside. I would ensure that the firefighter at the doorway is experienced enough to recognise the stage of fire development and know he/she has control over it at that doorway. Even closing it halfway may delay flashover sufficiently.

    Your second point - I would always search that room before closing the door and searching away from the fire. At that stage the environment is survivable for occupants. Come back in two minutes and it most likely won't be, door open or closed.

    Good post!

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    Default Great Thread

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    Thanks for your insight and taking the time to reply. Appreciate it greatly

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    Paul,

    Do you know of anyone making a push-on fog tip for water cans? I'm just wondering if someone(maybe the Swede's) have come up with an extra tip that can be rapidly fitted to a can to give it a suitable fog pattern for fire gas pulsing/cooling?
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    No I haven't heard of such a tip for an extiguisher (can) but I know a thumb placed over the end of the nozzle does a pretty good job

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