Why register? ...To Enhance Your Experience
+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Salem, Massachusetts
    Posts
    422

    Question State Police are now Firefighters too?

    I was browsing the website of my State Police last night and came across this, http://www.mass.gov/msp ( you have to go to News and Updates and click on Airwing Fire Watch ) While it is comforting to know that the State Police Airwing reports any fires it discovers to the local Fire Departments, especially during this very dry brush fire season, I was surprised to learn they actually put fires out. Why can't they just let the Fire Dept. handle it? Even the City of Boston has two Brush Fire Units for its remote wooded areas.

    I wasn't aware that the State Police provide this type of service. Does anyone else know if this exists your state?
    Last edited by RESERVE172; 04-27-2005 at 11:10 AM.
    Caffeine is the key to motivation!


  2. #2
    Senior Member Dalmatian90's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Posts
    3,120

    Default

    Connectict does as well, and I think NYSP may as well.

    MA National Guard is also equipped with bambi buckets they deploy off their Blackhawks.

    ------
    And indeed last Wednesday my company was at a 64 acre brush fire under Red Flag conditions (64 is big by CT standards -- state only sees 2-3 100 acre class fires a year usually). Though we were toned first, it was in another town. Hampton, Mortlake, and Scotland provided the handcrews & forestry trucks. Not sure if State Forestry was formally involved, too.

    CSP Trooper 1 took aerial photography, landed and handed print-outs of the photos to a courier who brought them to the Command Post which greatly aided the Chiefs where to send hand crews & how to get trucks in as the fire was deep in the woods with no obvious access. Trooper 1 then deployed it's Bambi bucket to make water drops.
    IACOJ Canine Officer
    20/50

  3. #3
    Senior Member Dalmatian90's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Posts
    3,120
    IACOJ Canine Officer
    20/50

  4. #4
    Forum Member DennisTheMenace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Washington, DC/Northern Virginia
    Posts
    3,717

    Default

    If they have the helicopters, which are kind of expensive for the average small town fire department to have, what is the problem with having them help out with water drops? Should the police also stop helping with medivacs, since that might be incroaching on the fire-ems territory?
    Be for Peace, but don't be for the Enemy!
    -Big Russ

    Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

  5. #5
    Forum Member LeuitEFDems's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Egremont, The Bizerkshires, MA
    Posts
    1,294

    Default

    We have used the MSP birds here on a few occasions. From my experience with them, this is about the only useful thing thye do with them. We've had them out for SAR's a few times, but it awlays seems they decide to go home early (IE don't wanna be all the way out in the berkshires) or are unable to locate anything (yes, I know they don't work 100% of the time, but their batting average with us is .000). I think it's a good idea that they're flying around looking for fires, because the fire tower spotters have gone the way of the plectron. They know they are not firefighters, and listen to the FD's on what they want done...They just don't go in and take over and decide when/where they're gonna drop.
    The comments made by me are my opinions only, not of the Fire and EMS services I am affiliated with.

    I have lost my mind..has anyone seen it? it's not worth much..but it's mine

  6. #6
    Senior Member Dalmatian90's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Posts
    3,120

    Default

    because the fire tower spotters have gone the way of the plectron.

    Does make you wonder sometimes...

    Seasonal maintenance / "fire patrolmen" making probably $10-14/hour in towers already bought & paid for. And days that aren't high or above fire danger, they go do maintenance work...

    Vs. the paying Pilot, Trooper, & Operating Cost of the Helicopter

    Yes, I know there's a lot of other advantages...but I wonder sometimes for the few weeks a year we can really use fire towers for quick spotting how they could've been too costly to run!
    IACOJ Canine Officer
    20/50

  7. #7
    Forum Member LeuitEFDems's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Egremont, The Bizerkshires, MA
    Posts
    1,294

    Default

    The best part Dal, The last time we used MSP birds was for a stubborn brush fire on top of Mt. Washington (the OTHER Mt. Washington) on the Mt. Everett reservation in the southwest corner of the state. There was an abandond tower there, literally 100 yards from the fire. There had been talk of removing it because local citizens were scared telcomm co's would put antennas on it. They made the final walk through and decision as we were right near the tower fighting the underbrush...Kind of ironic that they would decide to dismantle a fire tower when there was a fire right near it...
    The comments made by me are my opinions only, not of the Fire and EMS services I am affiliated with.

    I have lost my mind..has anyone seen it? it's not worth much..but it's mine

  8. #8
    Senior Member Dalmatian90's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Posts
    3,120

    Default

    Mon Dieu!

    We know how much more noticeable cell-phone antennas would look on a fire tower! (BTW, Massachusetts makes good money on those -- they have a whole unit called "Highlands Managment" to run the contracts!)
    IACOJ Canine Officer
    20/50

  9. #9
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Reiffton Fire Company, Exeter, PA
    Posts
    402

    Default

    Read Colorado laws sometime. I'm thinking about joining a Sheriff's department out there, so by doing some research, I found out that County Sheriff's are actually responsible for putting brush fires out. All the more reason to go out there :-D

  10. #10
    Forum Member Dave1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Gator Country
    Posts
    4,157

    Default

    The county Sheriff has a bambi bucket for their helicopter as we dont have any aircraft.
    Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

    IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
    RUSH-Tom Sawyer

    Success is when skill meets opportunity
    Failure is when fantasy meets reality

  11. #11
    MembersZone Subscriber ChiefReason's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Illinois-where pertnear is close enough!
    Posts
    5,636

    Default

    While the turf wars are heating up, the turf is burning!
    Sheesh!
    CR
    Visit www.iacoj.com
    Remember Bradley Golden (9/25/01)
    RIP HOF Robert J. Compton(ENG6511)

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Salem, Massachusetts
    Posts
    422

    Default

    Are the pilots out West that fly the C-130's over forest fires, firefighters or State Police troopers? Paid or volunteer?

    In Massachusetts, using a State Police helicopter to extinquish a brush fire is news to me. I never heard of this program; it must be fairly new.

    We rarely have what you could call a "forest fire" around here. It is usually just classified as a brush fire, which to me is much smaller and is contained by the local Fire Department.
    Caffeine is the key to motivation!

  13. #13
    Forum Member LeuitEFDems's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Egremont, The Bizerkshires, MA
    Posts
    1,294

    Default

    Reserve,
    It;s been in effect for at least 3 years now...I think since they got the new birds. We last use dthem on the previously mention brush fire that only burned 18 acres, but was burning for a week and a half in the mountain laurel and in the roots. We used them thinking a large amout of water dropped at 1 time would help...No such luck. They also send out 2 divers to stay at the water source in case something happens to the bird.
    The comments made by me are my opinions only, not of the Fire and EMS services I am affiliated with.

    I have lost my mind..has anyone seen it? it's not worth much..but it's mine

  14. #14
    Forum Member DaSharkie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Posts
    4,713

    Default

    You need to remember that MSP lost a copter a few years ago and since their aviation program was pathetic before the crash, they have gotten pretty strict with flying.

    There was talk a few years ago of MSP also doing med-evacs but that went bye-bye too. I don't think that their helicopters are as equiped as well as they should be either.
    "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

    The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

    "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

    "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

    www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.heritage.org

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts