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    Lightbulb Black Bunkers!1

    My Dept. is possible thinking about switching to black bunkers, however we have alot of our firefighters saying "it will be too hot!" I believe due to the amount of time really spent in bunks out doors, most firefighters shouldn't have a problem. We are in Colorado, not too hot. Any info about black bunks and any problems would be great.
    P.S. we already have dark brown bunkers now. I's there that much difference?

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    Right now, I have 2 sets of black PBI bunker gear, 1 set of tan PBI bunker gear, and 1 tan PBI long coat, and I don't notice any difference between the two colors at all.

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    Doesn't matter the color of the gear, I would imagine. On any given day, you sweat to death in one color just as bad as the next, right? ( I make this assumption based on the fact all gear is constructed the same: Bulky, heavy, and not too well ventilated.)
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    Default Yo..

    We have chatted about this a lot in here. Might want to
    do a search.

    Please ask "Why?" when looking to switch? If there is a
    really good then go. Me- If it is just to look "traditional"
    or like that really big fire department back East, then no.

    Please consider this. Black does absorb heat. That is a fact.
    Black will be harder to see at night. Yes, I know about the
    reflective striping. I also know that the striping flakes,
    burned and wears off.

    I like tan or yellow myself. To me, its about doing the job
    vs. trying to look like someone else or being traditional.
    I can honor tradition and still wear the best PPE out
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    Hope that helps.

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    Default Re: Yo..

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    I like tan or yellow myself. To me, its about doing the job
    vs. trying to look like someone else or being traditional.
    I should have added above...I bought the tan gear myself, but the black gear is company issued. I see no advantage to black that would cause me to spend the extra money to get black PBI. "Natural" tan works just as well as black does in the end.

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    I've had both....Don't notice a difference in heat
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    i have used black and yellow but honestly i prefer black .

    i like it only for the fact is that once you get the other colors stained they look like crap atleast the black after a washing the stains blend in better and hide so to speak.

    honestly if i was a person who needed the FD to inspect my home due to an alarm i would prefer to c cleaner looking gear because of the effect that it may not dirty my home.thats just whatt joe civilian would think and we do serve them.
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    I have worn about every color gear and can honestly say there is no noticable difference in heat due to color. Its going to be hot either way.

    the main reason I like black gear is exactly what BFDNJFF just stated. Its easier to keep clean.
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    My volly FD uses Black Nomex Delta T turnout gear, my career FD uses PBI Gold turnouts, the tech school I teach for uses either PBI Gold or White Nomex Delta T.

    Honestly my volly FD went to black for 2 reasons, it hides the stains and dirt better (yes, we wash our stuff regularly), and it makes our guys easier to pick out on the fireground since every one around us uses PBI Gold or yellow turnouts.

    As far as feeling the heat more in black than yellow or tan or Gold or white, I haven't noticed any difference, at least in my climate. To me the biggest difference in turnouts as far as heat and comfort goes is the bulk and fit of the gear. My Janesville PBI gear at work is far heavier and bulkier than my black Bristol Nomex Delta T at my volly house. I would gladly dump the Janesville gear for the Bristol at work.

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    In my experience all gear is not created equal when it comes to wearing it in the sun HOWEVER the differences I've noticed have nothing to do with color and everything to do with liner/insulation material.

    Even though my tan shows discoloration from staining, it's much easier to tell when it needs to be cleaned. I'd rather not have to second-guess how dirty my gear is because of fabric color.
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    I have worn our black gear, I've worn our tan gear. No difference. The black looks a lot better, especially with the red/green port/starboard reflective stripes on the arms.
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    Been debated on here a few times before. Try the search.

    Color will have no effect on how visible you are.....

    Black hides dirt....... (not a good thing when you can't see how much nasty crap is built up on your gear)......

    Etc.......
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    Originally posted by firenresq77
    Black hides dirt....... (not a good thing when you can't see how much nasty crap is built up on your gear)......
    That's one of the reasons we issue everyone two sets of gear...nobody has the old "but what will I do if we get a call?" excuse to allow them to walk around in dirty gear. We expect everyone to wash their gear every time it's in a fire (training, fire scene, or wherever), and we provide a commercial-grade extractor washer and a forced-air dryer (an old hose dryer with the heater removed) at the station for this purpose.

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    The black gear is more $ because tan is the natural color and the black is a dye just something to consider also, I have not noticed a difference between the 2 as far as witch gets hotter.

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    After repeated washings, especially in the industrial jobs, does the color ever start to fade or run bad? ( Granted, sometimes the heat of the fires does it for you, but the question remains)
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    Skip........we have had black gear for years and recently changed over to tan...I never ever noticed the colors fading or changing unless the fabric was exposed to high heat,(usually turns red).
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    Actually, that kicked a memory: I do remember a friend of mine in Wrenthem Fire, Ma, who had a brand new (got it that day) black turnouts. On a live burn, he went in in his brand spankin new gear, came out, took the airpack off, and had modified the coat to show the position of the airpack straps in black, and the rest of the coat in dull red. Makes aligning them straps easier....
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    Originally posted by SkipJack270
    Actually, that kicked a memory: I do remember a friend of mine in Wrenthem Fire, Ma, who had a brand new (got it that day) black turnouts. On a live burn, he went in in his brand spankin new gear, came out, took the airpack off, and had modified the coat to show the position of the airpack straps in black, and the rest of the coat in dull red. Makes aligning them straps easier....
    Sounds like he wasn't too smart in the training burn........
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    Possibly, I do know one thing however: His Chief was rather ticked, it being a brand new coat and all. :-)
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    Thumbs up Research

    I am no person to be in charge of ordering gear, but if my two cents means anything I would look at what is the BEST gear for your guys or gals and get it. Color means nothing in the face of fire.

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    Originally posted by SkipJack270
    After repeated washings, especially in the industrial jobs, does the color ever start to fade or run bad? ( Granted, sometimes the heat of the fires does it for you, but the question remains)
    Yea, over time, the color does fade or get distorted...because of both washing and heat exposure. Just for the record - I'm not really advocating black gear, I'm just answering the questions.

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    I have had no bad experiences that would be color-related...look for the best quality and I think you'll be fine.
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    Turn out gear is just like our apparatus...

    It doesn't matter if it is black, red, yellow, green, purple, or whatever color, as long as it does the job you want it to as a complete package, that is what you should go for
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    Default Yo...

    Maybe a little common science is needed here to point out
    why not to go to black turnouts.

    #1. The tiles on the bottom of the Space Shuttle are
    black for one reason and one reason only...
    To absorb heat on re-entry. Period. Unless you are a
    NASA Scientist, dont bother debugging this statement.

    #2. The stealth jet fighter bomber is all black for one
    reason...So it can not be seen. Do you want to be like this if
    you go down and people are looking for you?

    Hello? Ever own a black car/truck and wonder why the paint
    doesnt last? Becuase it absorbs heat. Fire trucks in some
    desert areas stay away from red paint because it doesnt last
    as long. The Las Vegas Police department paints their car
    hoods white so when a suspect "places his/her hands on the
    hood", they dont get burned. Note- Las Vegas Fire did recently
    go back to red paint because of the public perception.

    For the record, I have been issued tan and black. I refuse to
    wear the black unless I need to. Its just common sense to me.

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    1.I don't plan on basting my firefighters into outer space.

    2.We have big red trucks with red lights when we travel at super sonic speeds!!



    Just kidding you make some good points however will keep our black gear for personal reasons.The main reason is we can!!!!!
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