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    Question First day on shift and......

    After 2 months of being on 40's for training, yesterday was my first 24 on. I showed up for roll call and the BC said that I was going to be on the ladder truck. Okay, 4th on the truck would be a good first day. He told me that I would be riding in the officers seat Well, except for a couple of non critical (radio) rookie mistakes, I made it through the night and had a blast. We ran several alarm calls, one water leak in a structure, a smoke in a structure with the last call at 23:30. I didnt sleep a whole lot worrried about missing a call, so its off to bed for a power nap.

    And to think, I waisted 12 years in law enforcement!
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    Truck 1. But, I was told that I should be a 4th for the rest of the cycle. Could be on an engine or the truck.

    Where are you from?

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    Question Re: First day on shift and......

    Originally posted by BillTheGrillGuy
    After 2 months of being on 40's for training, yesterday was my first 24 on. I showed up for roll call and the BC said that I was going to be on the ladder truck. Okay, 4th on the truck would be a good first day. He told me that I would be riding in the officers seat Well, except for a couple of non critical (radio) rookie mistakes, I made it through the night and had a blast. We ran several alarm calls, one water leak in a structure, a smoke in a structure with the last call at 23:30. I didnt sleep a whole lot worrried about missing a call, so its off to bed for a power nap.

    And to think, I waisted 12 years in law enforcement!

    They let you ride in the OFFICER'S SEAT on your first day???

    I guess Chief Julian is getting lax since he is retiring next month. Not to put you down Pal, What good were you in the Officer's seat, fresh out of recruit school????

    We would never put a "new guy" in the front seat, until they passed their probation! Then and only then, the Company Captain say so and is sure that the member can do that job. Usually three years on the job. Too much responsibility for a new guy!!!!


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    Cap. I have to agree. Nothing against you pal, although I don't know how your loss of sleep was only about missing a run. What about killing someone due to your inexperience?

    Putting a recruit in the officers seat their first day on the company doesn't say much for your department. Well actually, it speaks volumes, but it wouldn't sound good.
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    Originally posted by BillTheGrillGuy
    Truck 1. But, I was told that I should be a 4th for the rest of the cycle. Could be on an engine or the truck.

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    Relax guys. I have been a volunteer for 12 years. I have sat officers seat on engines for just as many years. This is my second recruit school. The first one was 11 years ago as a volunteer. This department wanted me to recert, so they put me through their recruit school. Didn't meen to cause any strokes.
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    Congratulations on completing the second recruit class to be a career member. I still think, as does my Brother from Memphis, that a recruit has no business in the front seat on the first day.

    I was on the job for 3 years before I was allowed to ride the Officer’s seat and 10 years before I made Lieutenant to ride it every day.

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    Congradulations! hope it was fun, and dont worry about the slack your taking for riding officer's seat. People around here most of the time are either envious, or just like to raise hell .

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    Congradulations! hope it was fun, and dont worry about the slack your taking for riding officer's seat. People around here most of the time are either envious, or just like to raise hell .

    Riding the front, Officers seat, is a job that is for an experience member (Firefighter) or Officer. Not to jab at him, my department takes the job roles very seriously. Every one does not ride the front seat, until they are ready and the Officer of that Company is sure that this member will be able to handle to job.

    Jealous? Envious? I don’t think so. I made my bones when you in all likelihood were still a dream of someone. As of this past April, I had 45 years in the fire service.


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    Originally posted by CaptOldTimer



    Riding the front, Officers seat, is a job that is for an experience member (Firefighter) or Officer. Not to jab at him, my department takes the job roles very seriously. Every one does not ride the front seat, until they are ready and the Officer of that Company is sure that this member will be able to handle to job.

    Jealous? Envious? I don�t think so. I made my bones when you in all likelihood were still a dream of someone. As of this past April, I had 45 years in the fire service.


    Not arguing with ya oldtimer, just dont wanna **** on the lad's pride. I agree that its a important seat, and the responsibility is huge. Someone put him there, and It must of been for a reason.


    As for being a dream in someone, ahh not that young under half your experience but not by much, so I tip my Hat for your years given. I just didnt want to bring down a guy when everyone of us at that stage were proud of our first time.

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    They let you ride in the OFFICER'S SEAT on your first day???

    I guess Chief Julian is getting lax since he is retiring next month. Not to put you down Pal, What good were you in the Officer's seat, fresh out of recruit school????

    We would never put a "new guy" in the front seat, until they passed their probation! Then and only then, the Company Captain say so and is sure that the member can do that job. Usually three years on the job. Too much responsibility for a new guy!!!!


    Must say thats a first for me me as well. You dont ride in that seat here till you have at least 3 years on the job and some (if not all) of your state FO I classes.
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    "Congradulations! hope it was fun, and dont worry about the slack your taking for riding officer's seat. People around here most of the time are either envious, or just like to raise hell."
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    the original post:
    After 2 months of being on 40's for training, yesterday was my first 24 on. I showed up for roll call and the BC said that I was going to be on the ladder truck. Okay, 4th on the truck would be a good first day. He told me that I would be riding in the officers seat Well, except for a couple of non critical (radio) rookie mistakes, I made it through the night and had a blast. We ran several alarm calls, one water leak in a structure, a smoke in a structure with the last call at 23:30. I didnt sleep a whole lot worrried about missing a call, so its off to bed for a power nap.

    And to think, I waisted 12 years in law
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    Rescue, I don't think Cap or myself had anything ill to say towards the individual. As a matter of fact we both excluded him from having anything to do with the decision being made for him to ride the seat. He was doing as he was told.

    From the original post you can see that it appears as if this individual had no prior firefighting experience. He stated he was just out of 40 weeks in recruit school and that he made "rookie" mistakes. I admit to not know the entire situation. Maybe the truck only makes fire calls and therefore other experienced officers from other companies would be on the scene to make decisions. Who knows? At least the guy has now stated that he has at least been a volunteer for the last 12 years and I would assume to have some firefighting experience.

    The fact remains though, that riding in charge of any piece of equipment is a tremendous resposibility. That company will have to act alone on any significant incident. Most recruit classes teach basic firemenship. The extent of ladder training includes throwing portable ladders and climbing the aerial ladder. Recruit classes normally do not dwell on the subjects of truck company SOPS or stategy and tactics. Recruits are taught what to do when told, they do not learn, nor could they gain the experience to know when to do things while attending class. Truck work by nature requires greater experience to be effective.

    Jealous? Not hardly. I am an engine officer on 1 of the busiest companies in the city. Our point was not to burst any ones bubble, but that no matter what the circumstance, that would not happen in my department and not in Caps department, and not in a lot of other departments. If for none of the obvious safety concerns, what about the senority of the other paid guys in his departmet? Had he ever taken a promotional exam to be qualified to ride out of rank? I doubt it...IT WAS HIS FIRST DAY!!! How would you feel?

    Chief - "Hey Rescue. This is BilltheGrill. He is gonna ride in charge of the truck today."

    Rescue - "Chief, is that Bill the new guy....just out of class today?"

    Chief - "Yes Rescue, but I have a good reason to let him ride in charge."

    Rescue - "Well Chief, I have been paid here 3 years, I can ride if you want."

    Chief - "No, I'm gonna let him try it."

    That conversation here is a guaranteed call to Local 1784.

    Having said all of this, if the guy has a good crew on the truck, he will most likely be okay. They will know what to do, when to do it, and will probably make the guy look good, but that doesn't excuse it.
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    Memphis, my main thought behind that post is not directed at anybody persay. I see alot of negative stuff all the time on these forums. Give the guy a pat on the back and let him shine. Its all I am trying to say. To many people use there Experience, Who they are, Who they ride for, or what ever. I dont think you will find a post with out somebody takin a **** on sombodys highlights! You have been there before as we all have you know how exciting it was.

    Not saying it was you, or oldtimer, was just advising him before the rest of the hounds come along.



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    well I got issues ........which one in the pic were you ? is the middle female the BC ? Were you an officer when you vollied ? Congrats on passin and I too wonder how you made the front seat on your first day, unless you were an officer on the vollies and just moved up. And thumbs up on the tillers !
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    A full picture of the truck would be nice

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    Okay folks, just my two cents here but it seems that this "Rookie" was placed in the front passenger's seat due to being the THIRD on the truck. I think for liability reasons it probably would not have been the best idea to place this individual in the driver's seat or the TILLER!! Hello!! I might not agree with the idea to place as the third on a ladder truck the first day out but much better than having them drive a piece on their first day that they may never have driven before!!! Does not make much sense to place them in the jump seat and make the driver talk on the radio AND drive a truck at the same time. I think we missed the point in their post about being the THIRD on the truck. How many departments out there would allow a newbie to drive the tiller or front on thier first day??????

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    Originally posted by craigsheets
    Okay folks, just my two cents here but it seems that this "Rookie" was placed in the front passenger's seat due to being the THIRD on the truck. I think for liability reasons it probably would not have been the best idea to place this individual in the driver's seat or the TILLER!! Hello!! I might not agree with the idea to place as the third on a ladder truck the first day out but much better than having them drive a piece on their first day that they may never have driven before!!! Does not make much sense to place them in the jump seat and make the driver talk on the radio AND drive a truck at the same time. I think we missed the point in their post about being the THIRD on the truck. How many departments out there would allow a newbie to drive the tiller or front on thier first day??????
    None...but some "noobs" feel that they are entitled!

    Anybody stop and think that the officer may have decided to ride in the backseat on the rig by choice? Some FD's now have their company officers sit in the back of the rig where they can concentrate on preplans, radio comms and the ERG for hazmats instead of looking out for the traffic and sounding the warning devices.
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    oh ya ............now it could make more sense with the whole 3 in the tiller thing .......
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo


    None...but some "noobs" feel that they are entitled!

    Anybody stop and think that the officer may have decided to ride in the backseat on the rig by choice? Some FD's now have their company officers sit in the back of the rig where they can concentrate on preplans, radio comms and the ERG for hazmats instead of looking out for the traffic and sounding the warning devices.
    Bingo! I know thats were we keep the records is in the med cab, so its easier for them to just grab what they want instead of having to ask for it. Also you thoughts on the traffic also makes sence. I just wasnt gonna hop on this guy for somthing, that we know was a big day for him!

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    This might be a bit cross threaded, but I can't help wondering. Bill is now a paid career fire fighter, but not yet experienced enough to ride in the officers seat. Correct?
    Some say 3 years or so to have what it takes, and I'm not questioning that. My question is, if this were a combination department, at what point would he be able to ignore orders from a vollie assistant chief? Would it be at the same time, before, or after he becomes qualified to ride the officers seat?

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    My question is, if this were a combination department, at what point would he be able to ignore orders from a vollie assistant chief?
    Uhhhh when he became Dept. Chief or the Vol Asst Chief told him to do something that had a better than average chance of getting him hurt or killed!!! Other than that... to me rank is rank. You may not like it being in either role, but if that were the way your dept was made up then deal with the cards you are dealt!

    Bill... I know you didn't mean to start a ******ing match so regardless, from a former/temporary Virginian (at least for 4 years of college) over the mountain in Rockingham County I would like to say congrats! I actually spent quite a bit of time in Charlottesville between college reasons and FD reasons. My FF1 class actually used your burn building for finals back in the early 90's.

    BTW, I let a newer guy that was going through driver training ride the officers seat the other day while I sat in the back. I thought it was a great way for him to witness first hand the way these cell phone yapping, radio blasting, ignorant drivers respond (or in most cases DON'T RESPOND!) to lights and sirens. Yet he didn't have to control the rig at the same time!

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    First, I'd like to say congrads on finishing training.

    Now, for the purpose of my reply. In my volly company, everyone's gunning for the "Officer's Seat" just because they want to play with the sirens and radio. The sad part is that they younger guys (ones that just graduated from Junior rank) are so gun-ho about it that those of us who consider it no big deal just let them have it. Of course, I like to play with the sirens once in a while, and in some of our trucks sitting up front is definitely more comfortable, but most of the time I like to sit in the back and get ready instead of having to worry about the intersection coming up. The only thing that I don't like about the whole situation, is like what everyone here is saying, and what a lot of us are saying at the station. It's a safety issue. Responsibilities do come with that seat, and someone with little experience sitting up there could potentially get one of their fellow crew members hurt or killed. That's just my two cents...

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    Congrats on the new job! I recently just started a career position also. Two months on the job and i've pretty much been riding the officers seat the whole time. We don't have the luxury of having more than 3 people on our ladder.. We only run 6 guys a shift max. Four at station 1 and two on our engine at station 2. Granted I also volunteered for 7 years before going career. I gained some knowledge there. I think riding "the seat" is good experience. Yeah you might have to make a snap decision or size up but in most cases our deputy is well ahead of us and already sizing up or making the important decisions before we arrive. But good luck and don't let anynone get you down. And as stated before how about a full pic of the truck!

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    You will see two pumpers and and the Seagrave 100ft tiller going.


    Plus if you click on the photo link you will see who is in the pictures and why they are there, that Bill had in his post.

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