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    Default Dangers of Bunkers?

    There is always talk of making us switch to bunker gear and I was just wondering if anyone knew of any studies that looked at an increase of heat related injuries or heart attacks due to wearing those hot, bulky MF's. And no, I didn't do a search before posting! lol. Thanks.


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    I am a fan of the CFD and always wondered why Chicago is not wearing bunkers. Is there anyone else out there doing this in 2005? Why wouldnt you switch is my question?

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    what the heck are you using if you dont use bunker gear (other then proximity,hazmat and wildfire of course)

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    Default oh boy

    I would contact the Jakes in the Boston FD. Only a few years ago switched back to allowing members based on their roles and assignments and personal preferences wear what they wanted.

    This way the city provides the gear and they can't get sued if you don't wear it and get some burns or if you do wear it and have a heart attack or heat stroke.

    They did find that the incidence of heart issues increased with the use of bunker gear and burn injuries didn't change. Therefore they decided that especially in the summer months if the members lets say on the truck want to wear the old boots...there is nothing statistically/logicly stating that they shouldn't be able too.

    Also let me caution you bro, outside of the Windy city, Boston, San Fran/Sacramento/Oakland and FDNY guys on this forum you are probably going to get a bunch of safety susies from everywhere telling you and everyone how dangerous it is to wear 3/4 boots.

    There are good arguments on both sides however many see it as a one way situation.

    Just thought I'd warn you.

    Stay safe bro.

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    PS= As an Engine guy I can see the preference for bunker pants, when working in certain positions in the Truck I can see the postive aspects for wearing 3/4s or work boots (OVM, Roof etc.)
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    Maverick - we wear 3/4 boots and long coats. FFFRED thanks for the input and advice. ewelk - Why wouldn't we switch? I don't see any upside to switching. Not many guys a year get burned in an area that bunkers would prevent and it seems that bunkers would have a huge downside with heat injury, mobility, and comfort issues. I was interested if any agency had done any studies into the injury increase after a dept switched to bunkers. All I hear is that we should switch, but no one seems to have any numbers to back up the bunker argument.

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    Ask the Local 2 Brothers serving at O'Hare and Midway if they would go up to a fire involving a Boeing 747 or an Airbus 340 or any jet for that matter wearing 3/4 boots and long coats....
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    If they wanted to go to fires at all they wouldn't be at O'Hare or Midway - duckers!

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    dangers of bunkers

    Someone finding the ventilation pipe and plugging int or sending in nerve gas

    if you are an Al Quaida dork, then you should know that the bunker busting missles are quite effective

    Oh, you meant turn out gear?

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    Honestly, I wouldnt go into a fire with out bunkers. You couldnt pay me enough to wear the long coats and 3/4 boots. I had a long coat when i first joined and I hated it. We just got new bunkers and love them, light weight and much cooler (if you can call bunker pants cool(temp wise not looks wise)).
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    Chicago - I must apologize for not having an opinion on your question, but if you could post the manufacturer of your gear that would be great. I've always wondered what companies out there still made long coats. Thanks.

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    "If they wanted to go to fires at all they wouldn't be at O'Hare or Midway - duckers!"

    Best line all week.

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    ChicagoFF - Fascinating! I too have often wondered why Chicago chooses to wear the long coats and 3/4 boots. It makes sense to me now.

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    I just went and looked who makes them. The new ones issued are made by morning pride and the older, better ones with the rubber (nomex?) coating are made by cairns.

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    I spent the majority of my fire service career wearing BOTH 3/4 boots and bunker pants. Bunker pants afford the better thermal protection hands down. BUT they are brutal in the summer. I also like the ability I have to move around with just the boots. Here is a link with real data from Boston. It has not been that long since we were mandated to wear bunker pants on structural fires. I just got a new pair of 3/4 boots today because they are great for grass, rubbish etc. I do like the pants in winter and I have gotten used to them in the summer. Its one of those subjects that everyone has strong and varied opinions on. No one is right or wrong. BOSTON STUDY
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    Default Re: oh boy

    Originally posted by FFFRED
    I would contact the Jakes in the Boston FD. Only a few years ago switched back to allowing members based on their roles and assignments and personal preferences wear what they wanted.

    This way the city provides the gear and they can't get sued if you don't wear it and get some burns or if you do wear it and have a heart attack or heat stroke.

    They did find that the incidence of heart issues increased with the use of bunker gear and burn injuries didn't change. Therefore they decided that especially in the summer months if the members lets say on the truck want to wear the old boots...there is nothing statistically/logicly stating that they shouldn't be able too.

    Also let me caution you bro, outside of the Windy city, Boston, San Fran/Sacramento/Oakland and FDNY guys on this forum you are probably going to get a bunch of safety susies from everywhere telling you and everyone how dangerous it is to wear 3/4 boots.

    There are good arguments on both sides however many see it as a one way situation.

    Just thought I'd warn you.

    Stay safe bro.

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    PS= As an Engine guy I can see the preference for bunker pants, when working in certain positions in the Truck I can see the postive aspects for wearing 3/4s or work boots (OVM, Roof etc.)

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    The University of Illinois also did a very good study in the 1990's. I cant seem to find a link to the results. It was published in the trade magazines.
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    That study was in Fire Engineering (don't remember the issue.
    I started in 3/4 and while the bunkers are lighter then ever I would switch back if given a choice.
    If you get bunkers leather boots are a must.
    Their are still some cities that don't mandate bunkers. San Fran is still one I think.

    On a side note what does L.A. wear? It sure doesn't look like regual gear in the pictures.

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    i've never worn the 3/4 boots, so im curious to know how comfortable they are on the knees compared to the bunkers, i mean for doing tasks like crawling around and kneeling.

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    Originally posted by ADSNWFLD
    That study was in Fire Engineering (don't remember the issue.
    I started in 3/4 and while the bunkers are lighter then ever I would switch back if given a choice.
    If you get bunkers leather boots are a must.
    Their are still some cities that don't mandate bunkers. San Fran is still one I think.

    On a side note what does L.A. wear? It sure doesn't look like regual gear in the pictures.
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