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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An apparent airspace violation over Washington on Wednesday prompted evacuations of the White House and the U.S. Capitol as military fighter jets scrambled to intercept an unidentified aircraft.

    An all-clear announcement was issued about 15 minutes after the alert.

    "Run, this is no joke, leave the grounds," a U.S. Secret Service agent told CNN White House Correspondent Suzanne Malveaux.

    The Federal Aviation Administration said it had tracked an unidentified aircraft that apparently violated airspace over the White House.

    Former CNN anchor Bernard Shaw said he heard two F-16 jets and saw them circle a single-engine airplane and fire warning flares. The jets then seemed to direct the small aircraft away from the downtown Washington area, Shaw said.

    Malveaux said a motorcade of six or seven cars left the White House during the evacuation. President Bush was not at the White House at the time. He was on a bike ride with a security detail, officials said.

    CNN Congressional Correspondent Joe Johns said members of the Senate were evacuated from the Senate floor while it was in session.

    The Secret Service gave the all-clear at the White House minutes after the incident, and allowed journalists to return to the executive mansion.

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    it was fun, nice to get in the sun
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    It is very nice outside today. Besides it was noon and time for lunch!
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    I don't know why this is breakign news. It happens quite frequently I think.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Originally posted by nmfire
    I don't know why this is breakign news. It happens quite frequently I think.
    not to this extent, the last real evacuation was during Reagan's funeral, almost a year ago.
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    The area around the White House and Capitol Hill are no fly zones for everything other than military aircraft from ground level to an altitude of 18,000 feet. They are well marked on all of the aeronautical charts.

    from the AOPA (Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association's website)
    A Cessna 150 based at Smoketown Airport (S37) in Pennsylvania strayed into prohibited airspace over Washington, D.C., today, causing evacuations of the White House, Capitol, and Supreme Court.

    The airplane reportedly flew into restricted airspace, turned and left the airspace, then returned. It was escorted to Frederick Municipal Airport, site of AOPA headquarters, by Marshals Service and Air Force aircraft where it landed shortly before 1 p.m.

    Although little was immediately known about the aircraft's occupants, one of the two men on board was a student pilot and a member of the 10-person flying club that owns the airplane.

    Merv King, also a member of the flying club, said he was certain that the airspace incursion was unintentional.

    "I know these people. Not one of them would do anything to harm anyone," King said.

    The men exited the aircraft at gunpoint before being handcuffed and detained for questioning by the Secret Service. It was not immediately clear what, if any, charges would be filed against the men. Both men were reportedly cooperating with authorities.

    The aircraft was detained on the runway at Frederick while a bomb-sniffing dog was called to the scene. Lt. Ken Hasenei of the Maryland State Police, who described the use of a bomb dog as a "routine precaution," said the aircraft had been searched and there was no reason to believe it contained explosives. The aircraft was later towed to a tiedown at Frederick.

    Two F-16s dropped four warning flares in the path of the airplane in an effort to divert it, according to NBC News. The pilot reportedly told officials his radio was not working.
    By the same token, the area is known to be a no fly zone, and the pilot should have checked the NOTAMS (notices to airmen) or better yet, have them tattooed to the inside of his eyelids!

    Here is a graphic from the MSNBC webbsite that is a somewhat accurate depiction of the DC no fly zone...

    Aircraft landing at Reagan National Airport must follow a very specific flight path for the appropriate runways being used. Any deviations will be intercepted by the F-16's out of Andrews AFB.
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    Hmmm I'll be in that area on 22 May - they musta heard I was com'n and wanted to make sure all 'exits were clear and available'.
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    Saw this on the news, glad everything and everyone's okay.
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    Glad everyone is okay?! it was a tiny little plan. I think if the pilot carried a jerry can of fuel on board with him maybe someone might have gotten an eyebrow singed. Though granted i suppose a terrorist could have had a bomb onboard.
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    Yeah, that everyone is okay meaning nothing serious happened...

    You Americans really play up on the drama because on the news it sounded serious to me.
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    Its not just the Americans, the media all over the world play up the drama and make it seem a lot worse then it really is.
    (dont get me started on the media manipulating stupid people again)
    "There are only two things that i know are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And im not so sure about the former."

    For all the life of me, i cant see a firefighter going to hell. At least not for very long. We would end up putting out all the fires and annoying the devil too much.

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    While the REAL terrorists sit back and laugh. They don't even need to attack anymore....
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    Though granted i suppose a terrorist could have had a bomb onboard.
    Who cares about bombs? We all know the real threats in planes are items such as cigarette lighters and nail files.
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    I love how you get given plastic knives on airliners, but they give you metal forks.

    Damn! my plastic knife wont cut your thick airhostess neck! What ever will i do?!
    "There are only two things that i know are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And im not so sure about the former."

    For all the life of me, i cant see a firefighter going to hell. At least not for very long. We would end up putting out all the fires and annoying the devil too much.

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    You Americans really play up on the drama
    because on the news it sounded serious to me.
    No Dear, the MEDIA plays up the Drama. I don't care if you are in Ney York or New Delhi. The news media trumps up everything to try and get a reactionary jump in thier ratings for the moment.

    I was home watching this unfold yesterday and almost lost my bladder laughing at the local news stations in this area. I live less than one mile from Andrews AFB and knew something was going on...it's a tad unusual to hear F-16's shooting off in full afterburner at 12PM.

    Personally, I think the government is wasting tax dollars when they have knee-jerk reactions to these situations.
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    A few of my thoughts...

    I don't really think anyone felt "terror" per se yesterday. The people I saw skipping the building didn't look scared. They were just hurrying as all the cops told them to. I hurry out when a fire alarm goes off, but I know most of the time it's bogus. I think the American public is more that way every day with the terrorist stuff.

    I watched the story on CNN with the ever-so-monotone Wolf Blitzer, and neither he nor Malveaux nor Johns sounded dramatic to me. I think it was a newsworthy story.

    And as far as the plane being "just a Cessna", a Cessna 150 fully loaded with fuel can have about 474 pounds of payload, from what I've found on the internet. That leaves about 274 pounds even with a stocky pilot. That's a lot of explosives. The time for shrugging it off as "just a Cessna" has passed. No need to go shooting down boneheaded rookie pilots, but everything deserves notice.

    Finally, I wouldn't call it a "knee-jerk reaction". If a Cessna with 200 pounds of C4 had nose-dived into the West Wing despite being detected on radar, a lot of the same people would have squawked that we should have been more vigilant. You can't have it both ways, and I'm in favor of erring on the side of caution.
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    Originally posted by EastKyFF
    A few of my thoughts...

    I don't really think we had a terror response to the thing. The people I saw skipping the building didn't look scared. They were just hurrying as all the cops told them to. I hurry out when a fire alarm goes off, but I know most of the time it's bogus. I think the American public is more that way every day with the terrorist stuff.

    I watched the story on CNN with the ever-so-monotone Wolf Blitzer, and neither he nor Malveaux nor Johns sounded dramatic to me. I think it was a newsworthy story.

    And as far as the plane being "just a Cessna", a Cessna 150 fully loaded with fuel can have about 474 pounds of payload, from what I've found on the internet. That leaves about 274 pounds even with a stocky pilot. That's a lot of explosives. The time for shrugging it off as "just a Cessna" has passed.
    The Cessna should not have been shruged off, but when it was ID's as such folks were a lot safer in the buildings then on the street. You are not giong to get the explosives packed into a Cessna in a manner that will distroy any of the buildings of the Capitol Complex or the White House Compound. A decade or two ago a Cessna flew full throttle into the White House and essentially bounced off.

    Belive me, there was serious panic on many staffers' and Members' mind, particularly when the F-16's raced over head just as the alarm sounded, on a day with the sky as clear as it was on 9/11.
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    That's a good point. Maybe a "shelter-in-place" protocol might need to be developed, if there's visual or radar confirmation that it's a smaller plane.

    It's an inexact science. I think we'll see processes continue to improve, just as I know folks inside the beltway and in other critical areas will continue to become more comfortable with the occasional miscues.

    I'm very proud to live in the state whose governor's plan provided the first "oh-sh**" moment of the no-fly era. Ernie is mostly traveling by goat cart these days, I think.
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    The air traffic controllers knew it was a small plane by the transponder. Fedral Aviation Regulations require any aircraft that will be operating within 30 nautical miles (36 statute miles) of Clas B airspace be equipped with a transponder capable of transmitting the aircraft's registration number as well as the altitude the aircraft is flying at. The Class B airspace extends from ground level to 10,000 feet above mean sea level. The following airports are class B airspace:

    Atlanta, Georgia (ATL)
    Boston, Massachusetts (BOS)
    Chicago, Illinois (ORD)
    Dallas, Texas (DFW)
    Los Angeles, California (LAX)
    Miami, Florida (MIA)
    Newark, New Jersey (EWR)
    New York, New York (JFK)
    New York, New York (LGA)
    San Francisco, California (SFO)
    Washington, D.C. (DCA)
    Andrews AFB, Maryland


    Some people may think it was an overaction, however...consider the following scenario...

    A terrorist with a "backpack nuke" smuggled into the United States
    steals a Piper Warrior and flies into the DC area. The aircraft is not squawking the transponder code nor is responding to the radio transmissions on the emergency "guard" frequency, but is picked up on the terminal radars and well as the radars at the ARTCC (air route traffic control center) covering the DC area.

    He does not have to crash the plane to wreak havoc. The bomb can be set to detonate when the pilot descends to a predetermined altitude. A small backback nuke detonated in an airburst can do a significant amount of damage.

    Does anyone remember a young West German pilot named Matthias Rust?

    He landed a Cessna in the middle of Red Square in Moscow in the early 1987s... he managed to penetrate one of the world's most intense air defense system during the cold war and even buzzed Lenin's tomb.

    It can be done... and that's why the threat is taken seriously.
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