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    Thumbs down Recommended Military Base Closings

    This is just Too Much!!! We do not need to shutting down bases and reducing the military!






    Pentagon List of Recommended Military Base, Facility Closings
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    A list obtained by The Associated Press of military facilities the Defense Department recommended for closure Friday:

    Alabama
    Abbott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Tuskegee
    Anderson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Troy
    Armed Forces Reserve Center, Mobile
    BG William P. Screws U.S. Army Reserve Center, Montgomery
    Fort Ganey Army National Guard Reserve Center, Mobile
    Fort Hanna Army National Guard Reserve Center, Birmingham
    Gary U.S. Army Reserve Center, Enterprise
    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Montgomery
    Navy Reserve Center, Tuscaloosa
    The Adjutant General Bldg, AL Army National Guard, Montgomery
    Wright U.S. Army Reserve Center

    Alaska
    Kulis Air Guard Station

    Arizona
    Air Force Research Lab, Mesa
    Allen Hall Armed Forces Reserve Center, Tucson

    Arkansas
    El Dorado Armed Forces Reserve Center
    Stone U.S. Army Reserve Center, Pine Bluff

    California
    Armed Forces Reserve Center Bell
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Oakland
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Bernardino
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Diego
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Seaside
    Naval Support Activity Corona
    Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach, Detachment Concord
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Encino
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Los Angeles
    Onizuka Air Force Station
    Riverbank Army Ammunition Plant

    Connecticut
    Sgt. Libby U.S. Army Reserve Center, New Haven
    Submarine Base New London
    Turner U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fairfield
    U.S. Army Reserve Center Maintenance Support Facility, Middletown

    Delaware
    Kirkwood U.S. Army Reserve Center, Newark

    Florida
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Orlando
    Navy Reserve Center, St. Petersburg

    Georgia
    Fort Gillem
    Fort McPherson
    Inspector/Instructor, Rome
    Naval Air Station Atlanta
    Naval Supply Corps School, Athens
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Columbus

    Hawaii
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Honokaa

    Idaho
    Navy Reserve Center, Pocatello

    Illinois
    Armed Forces Reserve Center, Carbondale
    Navy Reserve Center, Forest Park

    Indiana
    Navy Marine Corps Reserve Center, Grissom Air Reserve Base, Bunker Hill
    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Indianapolis
    Navy Reserve Center, Evansville
    Newport Chemical Depot
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Lafayette
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Seston

    Iowa
    Navy Reserve Center, Cedar Rapids
    Navy Reserve Center, Sioux City
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Dubuque

    Kansas
    Kansas Army Ammunition Plant

    Kentucky
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Paducah
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Lexington
    Navy Reserve Center, Lexington
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Louisville
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Maysville

    Louisiana
    Baton Rouge Army National Guard Reserve Center
    Naval Support Activity, New Orleans
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Baton Rouge
    Roberts U.S. Army Reserve Center, Baton Rouge

    Maine
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Limestone
    Naval Reserve Center, Bangor
    Naval Shipyard Portsmouth

    Maryland
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Patuxent River
    Navy Reserve Center, Adelphi
    Pfc. Flair U.S. Army Reserve Center, Frederick

    Massachusetts
    Malony U.S. Army Reserve Center
    Otis Air Guard Base
    Westover U.S. Army Reserve Center, Citopee

    Michigan
    Navy Reserve Center Marquette
    Parisan U.S. Army Reserve Center, Lansing
    Selfridge Army Activity
    W.K. Kellogg Airport Air Guard Station

    Minnesota
    Navy Reserve Center Duluth

    Mississippi
    Mississippi Army Ammunition Plant
    Naval Station, Pascagoula
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Vicksburg

    Missouri
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Jefferson Barracks
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Kansas City
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, St. Louis
    Marine Corps Support Center, Kansas City
    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Kansas
    Navy Reserve Center, Cape Girardeau

    Montana
    Galt Hall U.S. Army Reserve Center, Great Falls

    Nebraska
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Columbus
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Grand Island
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Kearny
    Naval Recruiting District Headquarters, Omaha
    Navy Reserve Center, Lincoln

    Nevada
    Hawthorne Army Depot

    New Hampshire
    Doble U.S. Army Reserve Center, Portsmouth
    Naval Shipyard Portsmouth

    New Jersey
    Fort Monmouth
    Inspector/Instructor Center, West Trenton
    Kilmer U.S. Army Reserve Center, Edison

    New Mexico
    Cannon Air Force Base
    Jenkins Armed Forces Reserve Center, Albuquerque

    New York
    Armed Forces Reserve Center, Amityville
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Niagra Falls
    Carpenter U.S. Army Reserve Center, Poughkeepsie
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Rome
    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Buffalo
    Navy Reserve Center Glenn Falls
    Navy Reserve Center Horsehead
    Navy Reserve Center Watertown
    Niagra Falls International Airport Air Guard Station

    North Carolina
    Navy Reserve Center, Asheville
    Niven U.S. Army Reserve Center, Albermarle

    Ohi
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Mansfield
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Westerville
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Dayton
    Mansfield Lahm Municipal Airport Air Guard Station
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Akron
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Cleveland
    Parrott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Kenton
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Whitehall

    Oklahoma
    Armed Forces Reserve Center Broken Arrow
    Armed Forces Reserve Center Muskogee
    Army National Guard Reserve Center Tishomingo
    Krowse U.S. Army Reserve Center, Oklahoma City
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Tulsa
    Oklahoma City (95th)

    Pennsylvania
    Bristol
    Engineering Field Activity Northeast
    Kelly Support Center
    Naval Air Station Willow Grove
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Reading
    North Penn U.S. Army Reserve Center, Morristown
    Pittsburgh International Airport Air Reserve Station
    Serrenti U.S. Army Reserve Center, Scranton
    U.S. Army Reserve Center Bloomsburg
    U.S. Army Reserve Center Lewisburg
    U.S. Army Reserve Center Williamsport
    W. Reese U.S. Army Reserve Center/OMS, Chester

    Puerto Rico
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Humacao
    Lavergne U.S. Army Reserve Center, Bayamon

    Rhode Island
    Harwood U.S. Army Reserve Center, Providence
    USARC Bristol

    South Carolina
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Charleston
    South Naval Facilities Engineering Command


    South Dakota
    Ellsworth Air Force Base

    Tennessee
    U.S. Army Reserve Area Maintenance Support Facility, Kingsport

    Texas
    Army National Guard Reserve Center No. 2, Dallas
    Army National Guard Reserve Center (Hondo Pass), El Paso
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, California Crossing
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Ellington
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Lufkin
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Marshall
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, New Braunfels
    Brooks City Base
    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Antonio
    Lone Star Army Ammunition Plant
    Naval Station, Ingleside
    Navy Reserve Center, Lubbock
    Navy Reserve Center, Orange
    Red River Army Depot
    U.S. Army Reserve Center No. 2, Houston

    Utah
    Deseret Chemical Depot

    Virginia
    Fort Monroe

    Washington
    1LT Richard H. Walker U.S. Army Reserve Center
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Everett
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Tacoma
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fort Lawton
    Vancouver Barracks

    West Virginia
    Bias U.S. Army Reserve Center, Huntington
    Fairmont U.S. Army Reserve Center
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Moundsville

    Wisconsin
    Gen. Mitchell International Airport ARS
    Navy Reserve Center, La Crosse
    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Madison
    Olson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Madison
    U.S. Army Reserve Center, O'Connell

    Wyoming
    Army Aviation Support Facility, Cheyenne
    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Thermopolis
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    Why do you say that? We are wasting tons of money on unneeded and out dated bases. Lets shut them down, consolidate, and use the savings for the troops where they really need it.
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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
    Why do you say that? We are wasting tons of money on unneeded and out dated bases. Lets shut them down, consolidate, and use the savings for the troops where they really need it.


    This is the same attitude that slick Willie Clinton had when he was in office. Increase the budget for the military and the troops. Give them more and better equipment to do the job.


    We donít need to cutting back on the military strength or closing bases. We are stretch thin now and need more people in country, if we are to gain a victory in Iraq. It that is not the plan, then we need to load every one up and bring them home.

    Too many liberals are in high places in Washington and they need to be flushed instead of being a floater! If we continue to whack the military, we will not have the strength to fight two major events like we had to do in the 1940ís!!!
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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
    Why do you say that? We are wasting tons of money on unneeded and out dated bases. Lets shut them down, consolidate, and use the savings for the troops where they really need it.
    Please tell us that you are kidding.

    Closing bases and reducing forces will never make a better military.
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    Originally posted by CaptOldTimer




    This is the same attitude that slick Willie Clinton had when he was in office. Increase the budget for the military and the troops. Give them more and better equipment to do the job.


    We donít need to cutting back on the military strength or closing bases. We are stretch thin now and need more people in country, if we are to gain a victory in Iraq. It that is not the plan, then we need to load every one up and bring them home.

    Too many liberals are in high places in Washington and they need to be flushed instead of being a floater! If we continue to whack the military, we will not have the strength to fight two major events like we had to do in the 1940ís!!!
    But it IS NOT a cut back of anything. it is getting rid of waste so that the troops can have more of what they really need. Are you calling Rumsfeld a liberal? These realignments for effeciency is what he has been after since day one! This is NOT a liberal thing it is an intellegent thing.
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    Originally posted by spearsm


    Please tell us that you are kidding.

    Closing bases and reducing forces will never make a better military.
    It is NOT a force reduction, it is getting rid of waste, redundany, and out dated systems! It is going to give more to where it is NEEDED! Rather then just job programs for a few communities, this gives the troops on the ground more of what they need, and less of what holds them back!

    Tell me where did you serve? Anyone that has served that does not see the waste that can be gotten rid of is blind.
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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
    It is NOT a force reduction, it is getting rid of waste, redundany, and out dated systems! It is going to give more to where it is NEEDED! Rather then just job programs for a few communities, this gives the troops on the ground more of what they need, and less of what holds them back!

    Why don't you give up your job. I think you are someone who works in the DISTRICT for Uncle Sam!

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    Originally posted by CaptOldTimer



    Why don't you give up your job. I think you are someone who works in the DISTRICT for Uncle Sam!

    You go first.
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    Originally posted by CaptOldTimer



    Why don't you give up your job. I think you are someone who works in the DISTRICT for Uncle Sam!

    Tell me why you are defending the waste?
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    While some of these closings I can see ( financial offices etc)first line defence places like Otis ANGB on the Cape is a 24 hour alert post. There isnt another one in the Northeast.

    Not to mention all of the Reserve and Guard centers. Keep closing them and people wont want to drive all over gods green earth for a weekend drill.

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    As long as the savings goes right back into the military and is not used to fund some misguided pet project or State aid, like paying for the education, health care & other benefits for ILLEGAL ALIENS.
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    Originally posted by CaptainS
    While some of these closings I can see ( financial offices etc)first line defence places like Otis ANGB on the Cape is a 24 hour alert post. There isnt another one in the Northeast.
    They are just moving that operation to another base, consolidation for savings, it will work and not lower true readyness at all.
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    Not to mention all of the Reserve and Guard centers. Keep closing them and people wont want to drive all over gods green earth for a weekend drill.
    Again, there is going to be consolidation of the centers. Why have a Marine Reserve Center three blocks away from an Army Reserve center when each is really only used for one or two weekends a month? They can be consolidated for great savings with out any real inconvience added for anyone.
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    Dennis,
    I am not against cost savings...God knows there is plenty of waste in the Government. The DOD is no exception. I know that. We all should know that.

    It is just my opinion that shutting down military installations reduces alot more than just waste. I feel it is a reduction in deterrant(in a way). Can I be wrong? Hell yeah, but just think about it before you get your dander up to much.

    Did I serve? No. Do I think that should be a prerequisite for having an opinion on reduction of military stance? I wouldn't think so. Would it be helpful? Why not.
    I am a 36 YO Air Force brat that is not completely brain dead to the workings of the system.

    I am just a man with an opinion.
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    Dennis,
    I am not against cost savings...God knows there is plenty of waste in the Government. The DOD is no exception. I know that. We all should know that.

    It is just my opinion that shutting down military installations reduces alot more than just waste. I feel it is a reduction in deterrant(in a way). Can I be wrong? Hell yeah, but just think about it before you get your dander up to much.

    Did I serve? No. Do I think that should be a prerequisite for having an opinion on reduction of military stance? I wouldn't think so. Would it be helpful? Why not.
    I am a 36 YO Air Force brat that is not completely brain dead to the workings of the system.

    I am just a man with an opinion.
    OK, I can buy that feeling, but wouldn't nine very strong bases be as much or more of a deterrant then ten or eleven weaker bases? And who are these bases supposed to be deterring anyhow? Since the Soviet Block has been dismantaled we are totally expeditionary, there is no real military protection needed for the homeland to stop invasion. big bases do nothing to deter terrorism, our real enemy, and China has no ability to invade. We need to adjust to the current threats and that means closing no longer needed bases.
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    "They are just moving that operation to another base, consolidation for savings, it will work and not lower true readyness at all."


    OK where to, there isnt much left up here in the Northeast not mention this was the same FHTR Grp that was scrambled for 911.


    "Again, there is going to be consolidation of the centers. Why have a Marine Reserve Center three blocks away from an Army Reserve center when each is really only used for one or two weekends a month? They can be consolidated for great savings with out any real inconvience added for anyone."

    Usally with consolidation comes reorg, which means usally the job you had may not be available, which means re-train or reclass or better yet find a new home. I hate to tell you no reserve centers are that close unless it is a Guard unit and a reserve unit in the same city.

    Again places like the finance centers supply depot re-org is "ok" but front line units?
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    Being a veteran myself and having served during the clinton administration when they shut down bases and downsized I have never been a big fan of base closures etc.

    The only good thing I can make out of that list is that MOST are reserve components.

    The only good thing coming out of that is that hopefully there are bases near by these people can transfer to. Being that I don't know much about what they plan on doing or what their plan of attack is its hard to comment on. Only thing I can say is hopefully by transferring these personnel to (maybe) a larger full time, non-reserve base it could enhance their training and prepare them to be better soldiers.

    It's hard to say, closures are typically not a good thing.

    I also agree with the person who said we are stretched too thin. We have been stretched too thin since the late 80's early 90's when I was in. Do more with less is what they keep preaching, but sooner or later we are going to have to pull out of some of these other bases and countries we are in worldwide to help cover our own ***.


    Sometimes I think if Canada invaded the US right now they might win with all of our troops out of country.


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    There are alot of civillians and companys that depend on these bases. Mass. alone, 30k+ WILL be out of a job. How many more economys is Bush going to ruin at the stroke of a pen?


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    I am far from a liberal (I'm not sure anyone noticed) but I am completely in favor of weeding out irrelevant or obsolete military facilities. I can't speak to any individual closing, but as a concept, evaluating your resources, and realigning your assets in order to provide for more efficient operations is a good thing.

    Look at the age of most of the facilities being closed. I would bet that the majority of them date back to the 40's and 50's. This is a different country and it is a different military. It is common sense that maybe, just maybe, we can consolidate our operations into fewer facilities.

    It is not a reduction in force and it is not a sign of weakness.

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    I would bet that the majority of them date back to the 40's and 50's.

    I agree, but you also have places like Niagra Falls where they just dumped a ton money into over the last few years.

    Now that is govt waste, why put improvements into something and then close it down 2-3 years later.

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    Originally posted by CaptainS
    I would bet that the majority of them date back to the 40's and 50's.

    I agree, but you also have places like Niagra Falls where they just dumped a ton money into over the last few years.

    Now that is govt waste, why put improvements into something and then close it down 2-3 years later.
    It's government waste to keep the thing open in the first place so that it needs millions of dollars of renovations.

    I think you also have to remember that these are not cuts. These are recommendations. The final list is likely to look a lot different than it does now.

    Going to work for the government is no different than going to work for a corporation. You run the real risk that consolidation or downsizing will occur and you might lose your job.

    The timetable for actual closings gives the people affected plenty of time to look for work. There is no lack of work in this country.

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