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    Cool What was your coolest training?

    Recently my FFII class did some extra training that was not required. It was also by far the most exciting, most intense and coolest training we have done.

    Training took place at the Ashland Oil refinery petrolium fire training ground in Canton, OH. There were many training options avalible, but we focused on three.

    Part one was a burst and ignited preassurized gas leek. A 6ft "christmas tree" hooked up to a large LPG tank was preassurized and lit up. We had to advance two hose teams with fog patterns and a leader in the middle of them to push back the fire and then the leader shut the valve off at the base of the tree. This was a huge excersise in teamwork and communication and went very well. We ran through it about 12 times in all.

    Station two was a pan fire, a big one. About 12 foot by 30 foot and 1 foot deep. filled half way with a diesel and gas mixture. Teams of two used a fog pattern to "sweep out" the flames and extinguish a calss B fire with water. This was also very intense.

    The second day was the "box car" fire. A metal railroad box car off the wheels was filled at one end with palletts, doused with diesel and lit up. Hose tems of 3 advanced in, got within a few feet of the fire and began the attack. Using a combination of "3 short bursts" and combination attacks we were able to darken the fire and see how the different methods worked in real life.

    This fire was HOT! Even the teachers were getting too hot. Flame was rolling over compleatly behind us almost every time and I could feel the heat was burning me pretty much everywhere. A lot of students got some floor burns on thier knees. I was on the nozzle an my knuckles on the bail hand blistered and burned.

    We restoked the fire about 5 times, so every team got to go in 3 times and get different ammounts of heat. Overall, this gave us the best idea of actual firefighting, and made the computer controlled NG burn building seem like a dumpster fire. Nobody was hurt bad, only PPE loss was 1 shild, 2 helmets and 1 coat. The chief of Ashland said we did a good job and we all learned a lot. Now I just can't wait to get a job...

    What was your best training day?

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    During one of my many arson invest classes we made some small explosive devices and blew stuff up
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    If you were burning yourselves, hopefully the training taught you not to get so close. Just a thought. My first interior attack class was very hot, and some of us got blisters. The instructors told us to watch the fire behavior, and don't be scared. Only put it out if one of you get scared, and us two instructors will let you know before you get yourselves in trouble. Being strappin young newbies, none of us was about to be the one to say "let's put it out", so we didn't. The heat had us laying on the floor, and flames were going out the door and up the hall way so bad that the instructors, and the backup team had to back out. I finally realized we were alone, and my shoulder was burning off, so we decided to put it out, and go out and see what happened to our instructors. All they could say was "you guys are nuts" "what were you thinking?". And we said, following directions from a career firefighter/ instructor. So I learned more than the planned lesson that day, and we all still rib that instructor, but really, I don't trust him, and glad I don't have to work fires with him.

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    My coolest thing was the sono tube maze. It was done in the attic of the station my cadet class was at. We had to doff our packs and push it through the maze which was very hard. It was about 150' in the attic and pitch black.

    I was surprised at my self for staying as calm as I did and such crammed spaces.......and you also had to rely on your buddy cause there was a portion you had to be pushed through cause it went up hill.
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    Dave, that arson training sounded like fun!
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    Originally posted by CaptainMikey
    Dave, that arson training sounded like fun!
    It was pretty cool. There had been a rash of soda bottle bombs in the area, so as part of our class on explosives recognition we went out to the county land fill and blew up some mail boxes. I was shocked by how much force thoese little buggers have
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    Another real cool arson class was up captstanm1's way about 8 or 9 years ago.

    They had an old farm house to use for a burn. The instructors went up on a Friday, and set fires in about 6 of the rooms. What they did was re-create actual arson fires from previous cases.

    We got there on Saturday and broke up into small groups. Each group had a room and we had to figure out how the fire was set.

    When we were finished, all the groups went through the rest of the rooms to see how they were set. I learned A LOT that weekend
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    Originally posted by Rossco
    If you were burning yourselves, hopefully the training taught you not to get so close. Just a thought. My first interior attack class was very hot, and some of us got blisters. The instructors told us to watch the fire behavior, and don't be scared. Only put it out if one of you get scared, and us two instructors will let you know before you get yourselves in trouble. Being strappin young newbies, none of us was about to be the one to say "let's put it out", so we didn't. The heat had us laying on the floor, and flames were going out the door and up the hall way so bad that the instructors, and the backup team had to back out. I finally realized we were alone, and my shoulder was burning off, so we decided to put it out, and go out and see what happened to our instructors. All they could say was "you guys are nuts" "what were you thinking?". And we said, following directions from a career firefighter/ instructor. So I learned more than the planned lesson that day, and we all still rib that instructor, but really, I don't trust him, and glad I don't have to work fires with him.
    Could this be why you seem to "lose" a few firefighters under training?
    No instructor should leave "newbies" in any potentially dangerous situation--if all is as reported above--somebody should be 'going down the road" over this.
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    Agreed. They should have been strung up, and if any instructor ever pulls this sort of thing with my members, I certainly won't let him hear the end of it. Big difference between being a newbie, and being chief, you learn as you go.

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    I also had a similar class as Dave1983, it was a weekend class for the IAAI (international ***'n of arson investigators) here in Eau Claire, WI 2 years ago now. Full weekend of explosive balistics and the science of the explosives. Had case studies of Oklahoma City, WTC bombing, and several ATF cases.

    ATF came and we went to a quary outside of town and blew all kinds of stuff up. Doors, boxes, cars and mock buildings. Even played with their different robots too.

    One project was to investigate a car bomb they did and get as accurate as we could with putting it back together and telling what happened. Very very educational.
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    Default Re: What was your coolest training?

    Originally posted by Lammrover
    Training took place at the Ashland Oil refinery petrolium fire training ground in Canton, OH. There were many training options avalible, but we focused on three.
    Petro fire training's great, even if its not something you get to do often. I used to work for ConocoPhillips, in the pipeline group, and got to go to one of the refinery's fire school at the Univ. of Nevada, Reno Fire Science Academy in Elko, NV. We spent a whole week there, starting off with a simple flange prop and ending with a three level process unit and adjoining load rack fully involved. That was actually my first taste of fire (I was appointed as a trainee with my FD the night I got back) and still remains one of the best training experiences I've ever been through. Sadly, I left that job about 6 months later, otherwise I'd have definitely gone through it again.

    Another neat thing was that, besides the refinery team and a couple other guys from my group, we also got to take along 2 LAFD FFs and one LACoFD FF. The company picked up their airfare, hotel, meals, etc. and they got to train with us. They generally invite a few to every "school" (they do about 6 a year so they can cycle people through without shutting down the refinery...most everyone who works there is on the fire brigade and gets the training).
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    Hey Dickey, who were the instructors at the IAAI weekend?
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    Would those black fire trucks be in Mt. Horeb? Seen 'em - nice looking fleet!

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    Those be the ones, and thanks. We try to keep them looking nice.
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    Lammrover,
    I went through the same training at Ashland Oil a few years back. It was a lot of fun, though none of the training you do there is like the real thing. It is much better to be in a structure fire than in a rail car. The floor does get hot in that rail car though. We had the back of the car glowing red hot. Some people burned their disposable cameras up that were taking pictures from the back. I have some around here somewhere, if I can find them I will post them. The Chief of Ashland Oil is a real "good `ol boy" from Texas. I take it that you are going through your 240 at Stark State University.

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    Yeah, Stark State, fire 2 test is in a few days.

    Wally Flemming is the chief, he is quite the good ol' boy. He knows his stuff though.

    Who did you have at Stark State Tyler, Scott Ryter? And where are you working know, I need a job...

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    Lammrover,
    Good luck on your FF II test. You should pass it. Everyone in my class did from there. I don't remember who my instructors were from that school. Too long ago. Even better luck on finding a job in the state of Ohio. There are a couple of people testing down near Cincy. To raise the odds of you getting hired you now need to go on and become a Paramedic. I see that your an EMT-B now. Akron Goodyear is also hiring FF/EMT's. Again Good Luck!

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    Talking Re: What was your coolest training?

    Originally posted by Lammrover
    Recently my FFII class did some extra training that was not required. It was also the coolest training we have done.
    What was your best training day?

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    COOLEST TRAINING?? That's an easy one. ICE RESCUE! Last winter we did a weekend thing dealing with ice and cold water Rescue. After the classroom sessions, we went out to a lake and cut a hole in the ice, and did various Rescue scenarios. Cool? Yup!
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    My most enjoyable has to be my course to ride the 'Fire Rescue Unit' (Rescue Company School) back in 1993. LFB had just changed over to these from Emergency Tenders and they had a whole host of new kit.

    We spent the first week on extended duration BA Training...Deep under London in sub basements, Tube tunnels, sewers and so on. The remainder of the time we were cutting up cars and lorries, jacking up trains, clearing and cutting through debris in simulated collapses, using Hazmat & Decon equipment...the only thing missing was Line Rescue that had insanely been banned for safety reasons...glad to say that post 9/11 that has been re-introduced and the number of Rescue Units in London increased from Five to Ten.

    The best for actual lessons learned was the Qualified Firefighters 'Real Fire Training course' at the UK Fire Service College at Moreton in Marsh Gloucestershire.

    This facility trains Firefighters and Officers from around the world...there isn't anything that can burn that isn't represented at the facility...Houses, Factories, Aircraft, Helicopters, Propane Instialtions, Oil Rigs, Oil Tankers, a ship, a Shopping Mall a High Rise, Trains...the list goes on.

    The best is 'The National Bank' a Sub-sub Basement that is fired on three levels below the ground... I can still feel the heat now. By Pushing crews to their absolute limits in a controlled facility it showed just how debilitating Fire can be...even for hardened City Firefighters, it taught us to respect fire...this is why it was for 'Qualified Firefighters' It wasn't deemed appropriate for anyone with less than four years on... more of a 'You think you have done it all...now see this' type thing.

    That was about 13 years ago and I still think back to that when considering physiological stresses on Crews when comitting them to serious incidents now.
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    Default Re: Re: What was your coolest training?

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    COOLEST TRAINING?? That's an easy one. ICE RESCUE! Last winter we did a weekend thing dealing with ice and cold water Rescue. After the classroom sessions, we went out to a lake and cut a hole in the ice, and did various Rescue scenarios. Cool? Yup!


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    I do as much training as i can, but i would say the best training i have been to was a Saving Our Own class.
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    Couple great specialized training classes:

    Indiana River Rescue School in South Bend, IN. Great hands on swiftwater rescue training including "hands on" in the drink rescues, as well as bank and boat based with low head dams. Lot of fun and very well organized.

    As far as the dreaded Haz Mat, TTCI in Pueblo, CO is the place to go. The 80 hour Haz Mat Tech class is awesome. The 40 hour Highway Tank Specialist and 40 hour Rail Tank Specialist there are good as well. They have a train derailment set up for scenarios as well as numerous other highway and rail tankers, intermodals, and other transport vehicles as props. Awesome, well run facility.
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    Not sure about "coolest", but certainly the best training I've ever done was the full multi-compartment, multi-story Compartment Fire Behaviour Training with some top notch Swedish instructors - that's when I suddenly realised that I knew a lot less about interior firefighting than what I thought I did - this course was the wake-up call and the knowledge-giver in one. I still shake my head in wonderment as to how I managed to not get caught in a backdraft, flashover or smoke explosion before I did this training - I probably learnt more in that four weeks than what I have done in all of the rest of the years that I've been a firefighter.

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