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    I know from experience with departments in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, that in Amherst our dept was told not to use the lights and obey all speed limits, because the police will pull you over. In Sackville the same was told though many members including the chief and myself use the 'hazard' lights and many people would pull over to allow you to pass. In my current dept RRFD, no lights (hazard or other) and if they are the police will pull you over. Their was discussion about this and the chief association felt there would be abuse of the system and therefore will not endorse the practise. PEI does all its members to use lights as far as I know.


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    It was mentioned about lawsuits and I should have mentioned before, all of our members are told repeatedly that they are not covered by the department's insurance and are on their own while they are responding to the hall. We had a member a couple of years ago that was responding with his 4-ways going, the driver ahead of him pulled to the right, as he went to go by, the driver made a left turn and our member went under his rear bumper (no injuies) and he tried to press it through the department's insurance.....no dice. Long story short, he was without a car for a while (his was a write-off).

    Most people in our town (and neighboring towns) know that when they see the 4-ways with FF plates, they pull to the right. You still get the one's though that have no idea what it means and drive along normal, so it's hit or miss. I was responding to an MVA call today in my POV with just my 4-ways and had a guy driving along at about 15 kms/hr and there was no way he would pull off.....and he's the father of one of our members. I'd say he just didn't see me, I was gonna 'blip' the siren but was only responding to the station anyways, of course, he turned down every street I was going and finally pulled over right in front of our station. LOL

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    Very well said LACAPT! I agree with you totally. I know theres no way our Chief would allow them and as the new Deputy Fire Chief in wetaskiwin I would not support them either. I find they cause more of a problem, and besides I usually get stuck behind some old timer that doesn't know I'm there and having a fancy colored light wouldn't make a bit of differnce anyway.

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    It funny you down the road in pump lights and siren and people some how don't see the it coming. I don't think a little light in the dash will make people move. My thought is if you are responding to a MVC you don't need to make your own by confusing people more then they already are!

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    Nova Scotia allows Chiefs and Deputy Chiefs to run lights and Sirens. My department allows the chief and deputy chief to make the decision to use the lights in our POV or not. Myself, I use them, and I will say it this way that I am glad that I do have them. I tend not to drive too fast on the roads around here due to the condition of them and wanting to keep my vehicle in one piece.
    People here do tend to see the LED's I have day or night cuz of the brightness to them. The other benefit to them is on scene, I can park on a scene and the lights I have will definately be seen day or night.

    That being said, if we get a call to the other end of the area, I will probably respond non lights non siren and listen for updates.

    I use all LED's for my vehicle. And Yes I said plural. And I guarantee that you will not see them till they are turned on. Besides, I consulted with the RCMP and made sure I was legal too.

    Call me a whacker, but at least I know I will be seen. And I have no problems being called it, but as a medic and as a firefighter, I owe it to myself, my friends, my family and fellow firefighters in my department to make myself seen and be safe. And I know I am safe.


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    I'm a little surprised that nobody took the bait on the "lunatic driver" mentioned in an earlier post. I'm not saying that we don't all put our toe down in an emergency- but is eratic driving justified by response? Are responding firefighter deaths not increasing at a dramatic rate as it is? And if driving eratically IS justifiable, wouldn't it make sense to display a warning of some sort to others? Furthermore, the logic of NOT using a light for fear of distracting others is a bit questionable. How about we take lights off all our emergency response vehicles lest we distract other drivers from the other vehicles on the road. Not like anyone pays that much attention while they're on the road anyway between talking on the phone, using their PDA, and reading the paper or looking at themselves in the rearview mirror.

    We don't use the lights where I volunteer, and I know our chief is near dead-set against it. Actually, he's dead against it largely because of the "lunatic driving" being even more prominent than it already is. Besides, it doesn't allow you to break any speed limits or run posted traffic control signs. All it is is a pat on the shoulder to other motorists (who even know what the light represents) to step aside so that you can get to an emergency. I dare say, judging by the number of people who don't even step aside for our pumps / apparatus, the reaction to a green light on a POV is going to be less than enthusiastic.

    This isn't to say that I'd be against it if we were already using it and the people in the community were well informed as to its use. Strangely enough, I'm all for the light and in fact have mentioned it a few times to the chief. But the more I think about it- for the few seconds that it's going to save... not sure if I could even sell myself on the idea any more.


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    Hey ENO, well said.

    Lunatic drivers are not tolerated in my department and if so,my department punishes them accordingly.

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    Oh dear...this again. Oh well.

    Membership has its privileges. When you drive the BRTs (Big Red Trucks) you (in theory) get privileges that vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction -- like the ability to cross double lines, not make a full stop, go through red lights or leap tall buildings in a single bound (Quebec only). BUT... and it's a big one ...BUT you have to be certified, in one way or another, to drive BRTs and that certification should (SHOULD) include safety training, common sense training, a whack on the side of the head for the yahoos and some stern warnings that if you frig things up, you may end up dead, in jail, penniless, the pariah of the community or all of the above.

    Many of us are adults and prudent. We can learn to drive our POVs with green/red/pink/polka-dotted lights safely and responsibly with good training, good SOP/SOGs and solid punitive sanctions for those who transgress. Lives may be saved or lives may be lost...but that's no different than what happens when we get on our BRTs, is it? If the yahoos drive their Pintos like crazy nut-bags, they're gonna drive the fully lit and noisy Freightliner like an even crazier nut-bag. So shouldn't we stop apologizing for the nutbars (better yet, spank them and get them to sit in a corner on the next call) and lobby for a uniform and sane way of getting responders to the scene safely?

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    Originally posted by DCCHam
    Here in NS, even the RCMP have recommended to us to have our members use their 4-way flashers. They've been told too though, that this doesn't give them any right-of-ways or can break any traffic laws though. It just alerts the other drivers that they're comming and "asks" permission for them to pull off to the right. The RCMP will still stop and fine any members caught speeding or running stops.

    I'm pretty sure that most departments in NS have their members use four-ways.
    I was in my mom's truck with the 4 ways on and the town police pulled me over, on a hill, thank God I wasn't in a standard car, just to ask what I was doing. I said I was a volunteer FF and they let me go and said that I should always have my 4 ways on to go to fires.. (So, why did you stop me!!! I was driving like I normally do, they just thought I had the 4 ways on for fun or whatever)
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    Originally posted by paris04


    I was in my mom's truck with the 4 ways on and the town police pulled me over, on a hill, thank God I wasn't in a standard car, just to ask what I was doing. I said I was a volunteer FF and they let me go and said that I should always have my 4 ways on to go to fires.. (So, why did you stop me!!! I was driving like I normally do, they just thought I had the 4 ways on for fun or whatever)
    Man cops are so different in Annapolis County than Kings....They wouldn't give to flying f**k's if you had your 4-ways on...They'd give you ****...And probably more because you have them on...My dept and most around here have it in our by-laws your not to use them..And I'm sure theres something in the Motor Vehicle Act about it...Must be nice though
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    Originally posted by ndvfdff33


    Man cops are so different in Annapolis County than Kings....They wouldn't give to flying f**k's if you had your 4-ways on...They'd give you ****...And probably more because you have them on...My dept and most around here have it in our by-laws your not to use them..And I'm sure theres something in the Motor Vehicle Act about it...Must be nice though

    Hey bud,

    I hear ya. Our department has it in our SOG's to use them, however, personally myself, if I didnt have the lights and siren, I wouldn't be using the 4ways. Just personal preference.

    As for the Motor Vehicle Act. According to an officer I know in the highway division of the RCMP, there is nothing against using them, but nothing again saying that you can. Now according the copy of the Motor Vehicle Act for NS that i have on my computer, I can't find any spot where it is mentioned not to use them.

    As always with legislation, lots of gray area and lots of room for interpretation
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    In Yarmouth, NS, we're told NOT to use our Four Way Flashers. We must obey all rules of the road, the same as if we were just driving to work.. As for warning lights/sirens, our department allows our Chief & Deputy Chiefs to use these if they wish.

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    Originally posted by csquesnel
    In Yarmouth, NS, we're told NOT to use our Four Way Flashers. We must obey all rules of the road, the same as if we were just driving to work.. As for warning lights/sirens, our department allows our Chief & Deputy Chiefs to use these if they wish.

    Hmmm..Things must only be that weird in Kings County...Ah Well..Nothin New On The Weirdness..

    Also welcome aboard...Nice to see another Nova Scotioner amongst the ranks
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    Originally posted by csquesnel
    In Yarmouth, NS, we're told NOT to use our Four Way Flashers. We must obey all rules of the road, the same as if we were just driving to work.. As for warning lights/sirens, our department allows our Chief & Deputy Chiefs to use these if they wish.
    Thanks Nice to find a central place to be able to come and talk about issues with other FireFighters/EMT's and what not. Don't know how it took me this long to find this place though.

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    Originally posted by csquesnel


    Thanks Nice to find a central place to be able to come and talk about issues with other FireFighters/EMT's and what not. Don't know how it took me this long to find this place though.
    Also try www.firehall.com

    Its the Canadian version of Firehouse and it has a chat room..
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    Originally posted by ndvfdff33


    Also try www.firehall.com

    Its the Canadian version of Firehouse and it has a chat room..
    Ooh, perfect! Thanks!

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    Originally posted by paris04
    Yeah.. they banned me...
    Yeah but no offence, you brought it on yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by paris04
    Yeah.. they banned me...
    Now why don't you put 2 and 2 together and relize that your maturity level just isn't appreciated or desired over there......and stay away?

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