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    Numbers can be fun! Remember Schoolhouse Rock on ABC Saturday? 1+1+1 is 3, one call for you, but 3 for me!

    Kentland does gets its fair share of "fiah"!
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    Thumbs up Re: Well.......................... ..

    Originally posted by hwoods
    you see the list of Division Chiefs that came out last week?
    Finally something in this thread worth commenting on....Congratulations Harve!
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    Talking Chuckle, Chuckle,...............

    Originally posted by TillerMan25


    No, I have been extremely busy lately and haven't been to the Firehouse. I heard you were on it, CONGRATS!

    Just remember to not take a page from the book of that Chief over on Allentown Road. (Which in short means: I hope you don't show up on a Room and Contents in Accokeek from Davidsonville, just because you can.... )
    You know that he is a neighbor of mine, over here. Nice pad overlooking the Golf Course, while I'm up on the hill in the Horse Farm area. Neither one of us wants to be on the water though, too much noise....... And, 24? I worked there for several years, I might know the first due better than some folks....
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    I apologize Eric if I was a bit too cantankerous last week. Recent events have left me occassionally grouchy as well as time to post here, long time reader, new time poster thing.

    However, threads like this drive me nuts (here or elsewhere on hobby boards I've been long active on).

    One, it was started by a troll looking to stir up ****. Pure and simple.

    Second, people start posting out of emotion on something that fundementally doesn't matter.

    Or at least, is something that should be simple to explain and move on, but you have a bunch of opiniated typists who don't read and then express "shock and awe" that something isn't kosher just because it's not exactly how they think it should be done.

    There are still a few cities left that have more than one engine company in a station. And those companies each get credited with a run, even if it is to the same box. 2 Companies, 2 Runs, 1 Call (Call = Incident).

    I don't think anyone still runs "Second Sections" where one company had 2 officers, 2 drivers, whatever double number of firefighters. One pumper would role to the first call in the district, the second section would respond if there was another incident in the district.
    1 Company, 2 Runs, 2 Calls.

    Granted, there would be times a 2 Engine station would split -- one would get a trash fire, then the other would catch a box. 2 Companies, 2 Runs, 2 Calls.

    And I'm sure there were times either run cards were setup, or because of stretched resources, both sections of a 2 Section company would have to role to the same box. 1 Company, 2 Runs, 1 Call.

    For the Department, you'd keep track of all the calls.
    For each Unit, you'd keep track of the runs.

    Station E1/E2 made 8,000 calls. E1 on 1st alarm south of the station, E2 on 1st alarm north of the station. Each on 2nd alarm in the other's respective first due. With Engine 1 making 4,500 runs; Engine 2 making 4,300 runs. Yes, there's a discrepenacy that the numbers don't add up because on 800 of those calls both units ran on the same incident due to extra alarm fires.

    Engine Company 999 responded to 7,500 calls with Engine 999-Section 1 making 5,250 runs and the peak hour staffed Engine 999-Section 2 making 2,250 runs. No discrepancy in the numbers because that fictional department policy was that both sections where never committed to the same call in order to help provide coverage in a busy area.

    We could continue to complicate this with scenarios like multiple piece companies like the LA Task Force / Strike Forces or Wagon/Pumper Combinations. Or even worse to make your head spin, some of the companies that had two pieces assigned but only ran one to calls at a time. They'd leave the other unit back in quarters for a couple firefighters on light-duty to restore it back to service and grab the other for the next call. Soon as they'd be back in quarters from a few runs, they'd switch again and head out to battle with the ready-to-go engine.

    Many of these situations in the career service are history from decreasing fire call volume and budgetary pressures. You're much more likely to find similiar situations to these historical examples in volunteer stations that don't have as severe a budgetary situation, and when you get to an extremely unusual situation like Kentland you actually see a large enough volume of calls & runs to see it happen.

    Doesn't make it wrong. Doesn't make it strange. Just makes it something different.

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    Originally posted by Bones42
    In the last 20 years of the internet, we haven't had a single person come to us about a website.
    We've had two come in off of the website "Members Wanted" link. At least that was their initial way of contacting us. Other than that nothing, but hey both guys are under 30 and already trained so I'll take it. (not saying that you 'experienced' guys are bad, but you know what I mean by the under 30 thing)

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    Talking Yup!!............

    Originally posted by FFTrainer

    We've had two come in off of the website "Members Wanted" link. At least that was their initial way of contacting us. Other than that nothing, but hey both guys are under 30 and already trained so I'll take it. (not saying that you 'experienced' guys are bad, but you know what I mean by the under 30 thing)

    "The under 30 thing." AGE DISCRIMINATION!...
    Sorry, I just couldn't pass THAT one.......
    We have a link on our site to put you in contact with the membership committee, and we get a hit on it once in a while. Several who first inquired that way are now members, and good ones. So, I think it's a worthwhile way to go, but it should only be a single item in a big toolbox when it comes to Recruiting new members. (Vol. OR Career)
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    I have withheld posting on here...but since no other "members" of kentland are here, i will try.

    Kentland does not count 331, 332, 333 as separate runs for the engine company.

    The mini-pumper runs calls to keep the engine in service for other calls.

    Yes, we run the mini-pumper on all medical locals in our area, and as well we should. If the reality of the ambulance respose times was REALLY known, Dave Stater would probably do another expose' (local tv guy).

    If there was no mini-pumper, the engine would run all of those medical locals.

    The mini-pumper is out of service enough to have the engine run A LOT of the medical locals.

    The Rescue Engine has most of their calls lately counted as a special service rather than a engine.

    Any other questions?

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    Any other questions?
    Yes, do you live in Kentland's area or are you one of the PA "visitors"?
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    HARDLY a PA guy

    and for the record, 90% of the calls are run by a core group of about 30 people. There are pleanty of minorities that are REGULAR (not PA/NJ/NY/VA) members of our department for the record and an even higher percent of the live-ins.....not that it should freaking MATTER!! Firemen are firemen, get over the color thing....

    There are probably more NJ guys than PA guys lately by the way, and most of the regular members dont really talk to the "ride-a-longs" or whatever the heck they are.

    BUT at the same time, there are a few that drive down every weekend for a few days from as far away as upstate NY, so at least its a little bit of dedication.

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    Firemen are firemen, get over the color thing....
    uhhhhmmmmm, what color thing?

    I was just curious if you were from the area or one of the "ride-a-longs".
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    C)Has a membership that is 85-90% White Males from out of State in an area that is 97% Black.
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    that is what i was referring to

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    Blank...on the 33 website, it talks a little about ride alongs. You mentioned that the regular members don't really talk to these folks. If a guy wanted to come and ride with you folks, would he receive a "chilly" reception? I think that it's great that a department opens their doors for others to learn...some places, the fire volume just isn't there.

    I was thinking about coming to ride along sometime (it's a little bit of a trip for me), since I've followed your website for quite awhile. But I don't want to if I'm going to get in the way or not be given the time of day.

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    it all depends. i cannot guarantee anything. sometimes they have a great time, it is all about the attitude you present with.

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    Hey, Kentland is what it is, but you cannot sidestep the obvious. The community sees it, and they have been vocal about it in the past. Maybe stuff has changed....

    If the reality of the ambulance respose times was REALLY known
    Ambulance response in that area is no worse than any other area of the County. Try waiting for A369 at 0300 hours on a call in Clinton, than complain to me about ambulance response times. Maybe if you had your own ambulance, ambulance response times wouldn't be as bad as you claim them to be.

    You better HOPE Dave Statter never does an expose, because the first question he would be asking is WHY THERE IS NO AMBULANCE AT A FIRE STATION THAT HAS MORE EMS CALLS PER RESIDENT THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTY! There is your answer to Ambulance Response times.

    It amazes me that you would even make a statement complaining about Ambulance Response times when you don't even have a F--king ambulance!

    but since no other "members" of kentland are here, i will try.
    I will give you your college try, but you did nothing to make your department look any better. And FYI, I was a member there for six years, but I was at Company 46, you know...that Fire Station up the Street that says "Kentland Volunteer Fire Department, Station No. 2" on the front. Maybe you didn't know that they were part of Kentland as well. Where in the Hell do you think the money at 33 comes from?!?!
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    Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond, especially those with insight on how things really work there.

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    Originally posted by Bones42
    DrP, if you moved into a new town, would you drive past the firehouse or go looking for a website first? My experience, and that of my new members, was to drive past the firehouse. Some saw the open doors and stopped by. Some saw the sign with a phone number. In the last 20 years of the internet, we haven't had a single person come to us about a website. How do people know what we are doing? That's what we use the newspapers for. Almost everyone reads the local paper.
    actually, I would drive past the firehouse. I know that you always have guys hanging around at 2:30pm on a tuesday when I drive by. or when I finish my night shift and knock on the door at 2am. or on saturday afternoon, on a beautiful day, when everyeone is out having BBQs with the family. I know you always have applications in all the apparatus, as well at in the public portion of the firehouse, so anyone can give them out to a prospective member.

    and in the PG area, where you don't need to live in the FD's first due area to be a member, a person might not drive 30+ minutes just to check out a FD, especially if they don't know anything about it. and they don't know what they can be missing.

    Try waiting for A369 at 0300 hours on a call in Clinton, than complain to me about ambulance response times. Maybe if you had your own ambulance, ambulance response times wouldn't be as bad as you claim them to be.
    Tiller, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Clinton FD have an ambulance? so why is their ambulance response time so bad? and if there is a legit reason, wouldn't 33 have the same problems if they housed an ambulance in quarters?
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    DrP, yeah, we have an ambulance. But if it is on another call (We have Three Nursing Homes and Two Retirement Buildings in our first due) we have to wait. Add to that a Company in our Second due who has no Ambulance (Morningside, Company 27) and our Ambulance is busy too. Bottom line is, if every station had an Ambulance, response times would not be an Issue. It seems some of the busiest companies for EMS are not providing EMS transport service, leaving the burden to other companies.

    Hey, I hate the Ambulance, and I don't ride it very often becuase we have two Career People assigned to staff it, and I have enough time in to earn the priveleges of not having to do it. I get on it occasionally....

    I have no real issue with the companies in the County with no Ambulance...more power to them. But don't try to complain about everyone else's Ambulance response times into your area if you don't even provide the service to begin with.

    There is no Justification for not having an Ambulance in your station anymore. If alot of these Companies would stop the B.S. and just be truthful and say "We know an Ambulance would run people off, and we don't want to lose people," I think alot of the animosity would be remedied.

    blankfireman, or for that matter, anyone from Kentland, Ritchie, West Lanham Hills or Morningside care to try and justify the reason for having other companies pick up your slack?
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    DrP, that's why there is a sign out front with the information you need, but then again, you knew that, you were just trying to prove a silly point. As for people living outside the area and wanting to join, we refer them to their own local department. We don't have live-ins and the 30minute response time would not be acceptable.
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    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    There is no Justification for not having an Ambulance in your station anymore. If alot of these Companies would stop the B.S. and just be truthful and say "We know an Ambulance would run people off, and we don't want to lose people," I think alot of the animosity would be remedied.
    Tiller, this isn't meant to pick on you, but I find your comment fascinating.

    In effect, you're saying that the focus of some companies in your area isn't on serving the public, it's on serving themselves. The public is saying through its demand for service that an ambulance is necessary, but certain companies are refusing to provide this service to the public simply because they don't want to. Perhaps a shift in focus is in order. If you don't really care to serve the public's needs, you're probably in the wrong line of work.

    Am I completely off base? Maybe it's different on the west coast where EMS has been an accepted way of life since time began, so it's hard to relate.

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    Lightbulb Uh Huh......................

    OneL1L, There are places where the folks do not wish to be in the BLS Transport business. Yes, things are different here, compared to most places. I'll try to provide a few examples. 1. Private EMS exists, but not much. Private providers do not handle 911 calls, or respond to emergency calls, all Emergency Service is provided by Fire Depts, or in some areas, Rescue/EMS companies which are very predominately Volunteer. 2. Firefighters are EMT-Bs. 3. As far as Government ordering an Ambulance into a Fire Station, not too likely. Here, The VFDs are organized as Private Non-profit Corporations and, for the most part, own the Stations and Apparatus Themselves, not Local Government. 4. Most of us, Tillerman included, (Right, Bro?) feel that the Public EMS System (Fire Dept.) is being abused to a considerable degree by Private Healthcare Providers such as Nursing Homes, Assisted Living Facilities, Etc. These places call 911 numerous times daily for transportation to another facility that is NOT an Emergency, but they refuse to use a Private Ambulance. They say that (off the record) they are not paying for a ride when we provide free ones. Currently some VFDs, including mine, are turning to a Fee Based service, hoping that if we charge the same, or more, than the Private providers, the business will go to them. In a Nutshell, Yes, It's a different world. As far as longevity, my station has been providing Ambulance service since 1930. (No, I wasn't there then, but Tiller will say I was. )
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