DC eng 10 vs. Kentland 33?
I do not work with either company. I am using these two hard working companies to make a point. How can Kentland claim to be the second busiest engine company in the country? Now before all of the PG boys jump on me, let me explain. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. Here it goes. DC eng 10 and Kentland eng 331 both get a call at the same time within their respective first due area. Now while they are working this first assignment, a second call comes in for their first due area. DC sends another engine company to the call, Kentland sends engine 332. So statistical DC eng 10 went on one call, while Kentland eng 33 went on two calls. So here is the problem, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Kentland Engine 33 runs three pieces of equipment, DC eng 10 runs one. So how can you compare the numbers the two run, or how can Kentland be compared to any urban engine company. Am I wrong? I mean no disrespect to the guys from Kentland, they are extremely busy station. They run more in a weekend then I do in a month. But you just can't compare three rigs running calls under the flag of eng co 33, to any urban company running only one. Maybe kentland reports their numbers to the firehouse survey to reflect that. I don't know. Does the Webteam know? or can they find out? What do you think?
DCFD Engine 10 and Kentland Volunteers
Here is a discussion topic I have used in a college fire administration class:
The Firehouse 2003 run survey shows the following top four engine companies:
1) Washington DC, Engine 10 (Trinidad): 6,709 runs
2) PG County, Engine 33 (Kentland Volunteers): 6,325 runs
3) Los Angeles County, Engine 33: 5,885 runs
4) Los Angeles City, Engine 57: 5,760 runs
Trinidad Engine 10 has been the busiest engine in DC for over a decade. A 1+1 medic ambulance is also assigned to Station 10, along with Truck 13. 76% of Engine 10's runs are for medical locals.
Engine 10 "House of Pain" website: http://www.10engine.com/
From 1998 to 2000 DCFD Engine 10's total annual responses have hovered around 7000 runs. The number of those runs as ems 1st responder increased by over 900 incidents - about three more ems responses every 24 hours. They remain in the top five (of 33 engines) in the number of working structure fires handled every year.
Kentland Volunteers run four units under the engine company designation. Engine 331, Engine 332, Mini-pumper 33 and Rescue Engine 33. In addition, it operates Tower 33. It is common to have enough staffing to get three of the five units on the road 24/7/365.
The surrounding fire stations in PG county have thin career staffing during the day (4 employees to staff an engine and ambulance 7am to 3pm) and irregular evening/weekend volunteer staffing. This means that 33 gets dispatched to additional fire incidents to:
You should listen to PGFD dispatch for a couple of dozen hours to appreciate the dynamics of this unique urban county.
- Assist understaffed engine companies (driver only or two person engines)
- Respond in place of scratched companies (units that did not get out because no one was at the fire station to staff the rig)
Because they have no ambulance or medic unit, the Kentland engine company runs every EMS call in 33ís district. MiniPumper 33 is staffed 100% of the time and is the primary ems 1st responder. Each 1st responder ems run by MP33 counts as an engine run. http://www.kentland33.com/
By the way, DCFD 10 Engine and Kentland 33 are 7.5 miles from each other.
Los Angeles County Engine 33 serves the City of Lancaster area and runs with Quint 33 and Paramedic Squad 33. Many fire runs are grass/ wildland. The fire department is a BLS/ALS first responder, using commercial ambulances for transport. Engine 33 will run the second EMS emergency as a first responder if the Squad is on another call. Engine 33 is NOT a "paramedic assessment" engine
LAFD Engine 57 is a single piece pumper without enhanced ems capabilities. There is a paramedic ambulance, a basic ambulance and an ems supervisor also assigned to Station 57. Most of Engine 57's ems runs are for life-threatening emergencies in 57ís district. According to LAFD statistics, Engine 57 averages 17.3 runs every 24 hours, spending 4 hours and 38 minutes on emergency activity.
Both DCFD Engine 10 and LAFD Engine 57 lost members while battling structure fires within the last 15 years.
LAFD Engine 57 runs the most structure fires of the four companies profiled.
Kentland Volunteers, with three to five units staffed 24/7/365, handles more structure fires than LAFD Engine 57 when you COMBINE the workload of all of 33's units. That includes situations where Kentland units are operating at two or three different structure fires at the same time.
There are other fire companies that run more structure fires than LAFD Engine 57 - such as LAFD Engine 9 - and there are some engine companies that have a higher percentage of working structure fires than the four companies profiled here.
The fire administration class discussion covers the valuelessness of a simple national list of responses, salaries, incidents, etc. in understanding workload, safety, community needs, etc. You need more than a ranked list to make decisions or evaluate situations.
departing Fire Science Program Head
The George Washington University
Re: DCFD Engine 10 and Kentland Volunteers
This is basically the answer to your question. An engine call for Kentland includes calls for the minipumper or rescue engine. The majority of calls that Kentland receives are of a medical nature where they will send two guys in a pickup truck, keeping the engine in service, ready for a fire call. An engine call for DCFD engine 10 is only a call for the engine. For every call that E10 gets, they load up the engine with 4 (or more) guys and go to the call. They can't go to another call until they clear their current call and there is no crew waiting back at the station that can take another call in the area.
Originally posted by MikeWard
Kentland Volunteers run four units under the engine company designation. Engine 331, Engine 332, Mini-pumper 33 and Rescue Engine 33.
Because they have no ambulance or medic unit, the Kentland engine company runs every EMS call in 33ís district. MiniPumper 33 is staffed 100% of the time and is the primary ems 1st responder. Each 1st responder ems run by MP33 counts as an engine run. It appears that the 2003 engine company run number includes every response from Kentland, including Tower 33. VFD website http://www.kentland33.com/
Before I make this next statement, let this be known. Kentland is a group of highly dedicated volunteers that serve relentlessly, even with very little support from the county or community. Also, Kentland sees A LOT of fire, just check out their website. I don't have official PG county statistics, but it is pretty much well known that engine company 33 isn't even the busiest engine in Prince George's County. How they rank second on the list of busiest engines in the country is through manipulation of their run numbers. However, that is a great recruiting tool for a department that relies ENTIRELY on volunteers for staffing of an engine, rescue engine, and tower at a station that runs about 20 calls a day. Whatever recruting tools are necessary to get people in the door, I commend them for it.