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    Exclamation Re: Speeders - Check this out!

    Originally posted by tyler101
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    Don't blame the cop for the ticket there, Tyler... In a lot of themost "notorious" speed trap towns, it's the Mutts who have the signs put up for "revenue" and use the local constabulary as the collection agency.

    My defense against speed traps is a Solo S2 radar/laser detector by Escort.
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    How much did that little piece of equipment set you back?

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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    My defense against speed traps is a Solo S2 radar/laser detector by Escort.
    I guarantee you that my radar reads your speed faster than your Escort detects my radar, you hear the signal and you adjust your speed!

    And, it's not a speed trap if you are actually speeding...
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    Originally posted by tyler101
    How much did that little piece of equipment set you back?
    Wifey got it for me for a Christmas present... it was $300 and a worthwhile investment

    firemanjb...
    I guarantee you that my radar reads your speed faster than your Escort detects my radar, you hear the signal and you adjust your speed!

    And, it's not a speed trap if you are actually speeding...
    That's true... but when you are clocking a vehicle ahead of me, the warning does come on. I am no "speed racer", but in my travels I have been through communities that use their PD as a source of revenue. The reason I bought my first radar detector was getting stopped for going 1 mph over the speed limit in a small town on New Hampshire right before the state line in Massachusetts... Fitzwilliam.

    After asking for the usual license, registration and doing a Q1 check on me, the officer took me back to the cruiser to show me the reading on the radar. I was driving 1 mile per hour over the posted limit (36 in a 35 mph zone). The officer was parked in plain sight as I passed by at what I read on my speedometer as 35 mph. He waited until the I was just shy of the line and in a 55 mph zone to pull me over. That was a $50 ticket.... never again!
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    After asking for the usual license, registration and doing a Q1 check on me, the officer took me back to the cruiser to show me the reading on the radar. I was driving 1 mile per hour over the posted limit (36 in a 35 mph zone). The officer was parked in plain sight as I passed by at what I read on my speedometer as 35 mph. He waited until the I was just shy of the line and in a 55 mph zone to pull me over. That was a $50 ticket.... never again!
    1 mph over!?! That's worth fighting in court... Our judges and prosecutors won't even look at anything under 10 over...but that's us.

    Still, you said you were going 35 by your speedometer...the radar detector wouldn't have helped anyway.
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    Originally posted by firemanjb


    And, it's not a speed trap if you are actually speeding...
    Setting up a radar point where the speed limit drops from 55 to 35 while going down a hill is definately a "trap".
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    Originally posted by tyler101
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    Nazi cops huh...How about just drive the damn speed limit
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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
    Setting up a radar point where the speed limit drops from 55 to 35 while going down a hill is definately a "trap".
    Not if it's your kids that play in the front yard and cars are whizzing by at 55 instead of 35.....

    Plus, Gonzo was nailed going INTO the 55 zone, not coming out of it.
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    Originally posted by firemanjb


    1 mph over!?! That's worth fighting in court... Our judges and prosecutors won't even look at anything under 10 over...but that's us.

    Still, you said you were going 35 by your speedometer...the radar detector wouldn't have helped anyway.
    That was before I had a radar detector. It inspired me to buy one.

    I was in the Fire Academy at the time, and to take a day off to go to court would have been a royal PIA, I would have needed permission from my Chief at the time and the Academy staff, it just wasn't worth the aggravation.

    Having my IAFF stickers on the windshield and rear window didn't help a bit, since I was out of state by at least 100 feet!
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo


    Wifey got it for me for a Christmas present... it was $300 and a worthwhile investment

    firemanjb...


    After asking for the usual license, registration and doing a Q1 check on me, the officer took me back to the cruiser to show me the reading on the radar. I was driving 1 mile per hour over the posted limit (36 in a 35 mph zone).
    Being a cop myself, I feel I need to add my 2 cents here. When I run radar, I never lock in the speed to show the violator. The current training method is to have the police officer not lock the radar and to monitor the speed of the violator until you decide to make your traffic stop. This way, you can usually document that the violator first saw the patrol car, and then they slowed down, which gives the officer even more probable cause to show that the violator was aware that they were exceeding the speed limit.

    Now, on the flip side, while 1 MPH over is technically a violation, it is pretty sad to think an officer would issue a citation for a driver who is just 1 MPH in excess of the posted speed limit.
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    Originally posted by firemanjb


    Not if it's your kids that play in the front yard and cars are whizzing by at 55 instead of 35.....

    Plus, Gonzo was nailed going INTO the 55 zone, not coming out of it.
    That is when a municipality/state needs to create a more gradual lowereing of a speed limit and add rumble strips. If all you are doing to lower the actual speed of drivers is to drop it 20 mph and have an officer stationed at that point to ticket out of towners passing through, then you have set up a speed trap, you are doing nothing to make the community truely safer. Go check out half the little Delaware towns between DC and the DelMarVa beaches for examples. A few of them have had to put a stop to it under court order.
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    This way, you can usually document that the violator first saw the patrol car, and then they slowed down, which gives the officer even more probable cause to show that the violator was aware that they were exceeding the speed limit.
    That doesn't make much sense to me. Just because I slowed down when I saw the officer doesn't mean I was aware of my speeding. What it DOES mean is that I saw the officer, was reminded to check my speed, noticed it being to high, did the responsible and lawful thing and slowed down. In my opinion anyone driving by an officer who doesn't check their speed is obviously to drunk to drive, or so numb to the surroundings they didn't notice him and shouldn't be driving, or has no respect whatsoever for law enforcement and could just as well flipped him off when driving by.

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    Originally posted by sdff1520

    In my opinion anyone driving by an officer who doesn't check their speed is obviously to drunk to drive, or so numb to the surroundings they didn't notice him and shouldn't be driving, or has no respect whatsoever for law enforcement and could just as well flipped him off when driving by.
    Oh yes.. that is another piece of probable cause we would use... and as you point out, this is usually the signal that the driver is impaired.

    However, slowing down when you see an officer does not mean you did not violate the law. If that were the case, if you were stealing something, then a cop suddenly appeared, using your logic if you put the stolen property back where you found it, there would be no crime.

    You have a responsibility on the road to obey the speed limit. No matter how rediculous you may think they are, there is some reason that a particular limit is placed on all roads.
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    Oh yes.. that is another piece of probable cause we would use... and as you point out, this is usually the signal that the driver is impaired.

    However, slowing down when you see an officer does not mean you did not violate the law. If that were the case, if you were stealing something, then a cop suddenly appeared, using your logic if you put the stolen property back where you found it, there would be no crime.

    You have a responsibility on the road to obey the speed limit. No matter how rediculous you may think they are, there is some reason that a particular limit is placed on all roads.
    So your logic, if someone is doing something too correctly you have probable cause because they are obviously trying to hard to do something right to hide something else?

    And if I was to put something in my pocket with the intent to shoplift, but something made me think that I would get caught so I put it back before leaving the store, then I would not have stolen anything. Intent and Ideas are not yet illegal in the US until you have already done something wrong to lead to that.
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    Those little towns are usually the worst. Nothing better to do than pull people over because it is slow. Now I am not saying that many don't deserve it, but there are excesses here that we are talking about. I used to work in a small town, and I know that not all are like that.

    As for the odometer, the Federal government offers a 3 - 5 mph variability on the accuracy, which is why most won't stop until 10 just to be sure. Otherwise they are too easy to fight.

    As for the radar detectors, remember to watch out in Virginia. I would even recommend taking down the attachment on the window since if those heathen troopers see it then they will still want to write you up. Those guys are brutal to everyone without a VA plate. Vicious man, simply vicious.
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    You think they are vicious to out of staters with detectors? They are really bad to residents, who they feel should know better!
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    On most,not all, highways,before the speed limit changes, there is usually a sign that states "reduced speed ahead", this is there so that you can drop your speed to the required reduction in speed by the time you reach the new speed limit. Starting to slow after you reach the speed limit sign doesnt cut the mustard. I dont know if it still applies, but at one time in the UK, the police wouldn't stop you till you had gone about a 1/4 mile past the sign.

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    I realize that this is a touchy feely subject for many of us here. However, a law is still a law. If you 'break' it and get caught then you pay the penalty - RIGHT? I've had my fair share of tickets, and talked my way out of a few too, thats life in the Fast Lane.

    As for the complaint of "ticketed for 1mph over", that would suggest to me, as we have here at this time a "No Tolerance" policy. Which means 1mph or 20mph, you get a ticket. This is a fairly new thing here, where the RCMP have reformed their Highway Patrol group (I can't remember the exact title) and all they do is ride around the city and local highways in unmarked cars, and issue tickets for traffic violations. This as I say, includes a zero tolerance policy.

    Also considering the number of MVA's that have happened in the past 24 months or so, that included fatalities/serious injury, I happen to agree with it. Even though I am sure that I am going to get myself a ticket - although I tend to not be much more than 10 over most times.

    Finally I find the overall arguement here kinda bizare considering that each of us is involved with emergency response at all levels; we've all seen the results of excessive speed........
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    Originally posted by sdff1520


    That doesn't make much sense to me. Just because I slowed down when I saw the officer doesn't mean I was aware of my speeding. What it DOES mean is that I saw the officer, was reminded to check my speed, noticed it being to high, did the responsible and lawful thing and slowed down.
    Which means you were speeding. There does not have to be intent to speed...the act in and of itself is the violation.
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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
    And if I was to put something in my pocket with the intent to shoplift, but something made me think that I would get caught so I put it back before leaving the store, then I would not have stolen anything. Intent and Ideas are not yet illegal in the US until you have already done something wrong to lead to that.
    It depends on the law being enforced. Certain laws require a culpable mental state, such as "intentional." Others do not. In your example, I'd probably charge with Attempted Shoplifting...you took a significant step towards commiting the crime.

    Most driving laws do NOT require a culpable mental state. Merely violating the law is sufficient. Just because you didn't "intentionally" speed is not a defense. It's the same with DUI laws...0.08 BAC is per se illegal, even if you didn't know it or didn't want to drive if you were over it...over is over.

    Why are we, as public servants entrusted by the public, who have passed background checks and polygraphs, and who are supposed to be upstanding moral citizens, arguing about "how much" one should be allowed to break the law?
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    Originally posted by DaSharkie
    As for the radar detectors, remember to watch out in Virginia. I would even recommend taking down the attachment on the window since if those heathen troopers see it then they will still want to write you up.
    I recommend saving your money and not buying a radar detector. Drive no more than 8 or 9 over the limit and you shouldn't have any problems. And if you get ticketed, face the music and pay up...you took a risk and you lost.
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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
    And if I was to put something in my pocket with the intent to shoplift, but something made me think that I would get caught so I put it back before leaving the store, then I would not have stolen anything. Intent and Ideas are not yet illegal in the US until you have already done something wrong to lead to that.
    Not necessarily. But, if you put something in your pocket and walk out of the store and then saw a police officer, you would still be arrested for shoplifting, even if you told the officer you had changed your mind and was going to take the stolen item back to where you took it from.

    And, for the record, "intent" is a very important element of a crime. But intent is not a "requirement" to prove all crimes. For example, involuntary manslaughter is a crime, although the offender may not have "intended" to kill their victim.
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    Originally posted by MetalMedic
    you can usually document that the violator first saw the patrol car, and then they slowed down, which gives the officer even more probable cause to show that the violator was aware that they were exceeding the speed limit.
    Given that it's a fact that most people slow down when seeing a police vehicle or officer, or even something remotley resembling one, regardless of what speed they were going beforehand, I would hope that your example would not be able to be used alone as probable cause.

    I rented a car a couple years ago while my vehicle was being repaired, and the only vehicle that was available was a new silver Crown Vic. Regardless of the speed I traveled, everyone around me drove slower than me, and slowed down if they were approaching me. Not all of them were speeding, and not all of them could be said to be aware of breaking any laws. The majority of people reflexively at least lift off the accelerator upon seeing the police, and that does not mean they are breaking the law.
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    Originally posted by firemanjb


    I recommend saving your money and not buying a radar detector. Drive no more than 8 or 9 over the limit and you shouldn't have any problems. And if you get ticketed, face the music and pay up...you took a risk and you lost.
    That's how I drive. If the speed limit on the highway is 55 I'll go 65 in order to not get killed by someone trying to have car sex while in motion.

    If it's 65, I'll go 70. If 70, I'll hit 75. There are a few stretches on I-81 that 75 but I still won't go over 80. Way too fast and too much can happen.

    Funny thing is I'll still get buzzed like I'm standing still.



    As for the Crown Vic rental, I slow down when I see them too. Regardless of how I am going on the highway. I just look for the deck lights on the rear or the funny looking antennaes.
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