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    Default Is it time for a name change?

    There seems to be a gulf between Career and Volly FF. In a conversation with a friend in England who is in their "Territorial" Army (what we call "Reserves"), he used a neat phrase. I would suggest that we adopt this for ourselves, for while I am a FF part time, I strive to be a professional at it.

    So, I say we should call ourselves:

    PART TIME PROFESSIONALS

    or PTP for short.

    What do you think?

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    Default Yawn.......

    I have no problem with being called a volunteer......

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    Hmmm, so the debate is whether or not to change "Volunteer" to "Part Time Professional" (Some how I see a contradiction there) Granted I suppose PTP is a decent way to look at it, but universally Volunteer rings true.

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    How about "Firefighters"
    Buckle Up, Slow Down, Arrive Alive
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    I would stay with volunteer. PTP just does not work for me. I put more hours in than to be considered part time. Not everyone does but I get into a lot of extra stuff with and for my V.F.D. Although I could be open to a name change.
    Training does not make perfect. Training makes permanent!

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    Originally posted by mtnfireguy
    How about "Firefighters"
    That one I like real well
    Training does not make perfect. Training makes permanent!

    IACOJ probie

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    Lightbulb Remember?

    Remember the cartoon a week or two ago.

    We are all FIREFIGHTERS.

    Stay safe,

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    You mean that? How about that!

    Hmm, aren't we all firefighters anyways?

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    I think that we should not move from the name volunteer. You really should say it with pride, what we do is no simple thing.

    Patrick Velu- Proud to be a volunteer and a firefighter.
    "There are only two things that i know are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And im not so sure about the former."

    For all the life of me, i cant see a firefighter going to hell. At least not for very long. We would end up putting out all the fires and annoying the devil too much.

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    I like saying that I volunteer to run into burning buildings.It's not the smartest thing that I have ever done,but it makes me think about what I am doing so that I and everyone else with me can stay safe at the same time.
    If I don't do my job,my officer can get hurt.If he doesn't do his job,I could get hurt.
    That's why we don't let each other down.

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    I think we already have gone through a name change. It wasn't that long ago that you heard about "volunteer" firefighters and "professional" firefighters. We adopted the idea that we're ALL professionals, but some of us get paid and some of us don't. That's why you usually hear the term "career" instead of "professional" now.

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    Do you work for the government?

    Only a government hack would think that changing the name of a vocation or career path would fix the "gulf" that exists betweeen extremely large groups of people.

    It is equally effective as waving a magic wand over it. Wait, I've got it!

    Next Monday, at 1000 EDT, all fire fighters across the US will "Stand down". They will click their heels together three times and say "We are all brothers". Then, all of the problems that exist in the fire service will be gone.

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    Originally posted by mtnfireguy
    How about "Firefighters"
    That one's got my vote!

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    You guy's are actually going to waste time and effort on this?
    It seems to me, if you are truly doing your job, and putting in the time and effort you say you are, who really cares what your called? No one can take away what you do, why worry about a term?

    For what it's worth, the term "professional " is used in my Local's name, "Milwaukee Professional Firefighter's Association". The term "professional", as it is used here, simply means "profession". To think otherwise, is to read into it a bit much. A common theme on here, apparently.
    The chasm that exists really doesn't need to.

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    I'm with my esteemed colleague from Milwaukee.
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    You're right, Jasper...we're reading too much into it. It doesn't matter what you call me, I'm a firefighter, and proud of it.

    On a side note...I see on your signature a tribute to Pat Tillman. A good friend of mine was Tillman's Army Ranger Instructor. He said that from day one, Tillman was one of the greatest men he'd ever met - totally committed to his duty, and truly honorable. America lost a real hero when Tillman made his sacrifice for our country.

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    This whole "name change" thing reminds me of a letter to the editor I saw in Fire Engineering a few years back. The writer of the letter was "offended" that the fire service was a paramilitary organization and used ranks like Lieutenant, Captain and found any rank using the word "Chief" was also offensive to Native Americans.

    His PC take would have changed the rank structure. A firefighter would be a "fire suppression specialist". Lt's and Captains would be
    "fire forepersons" and "lead forepersons", chiefs would be "Fire Executives"...

    I can still hear the laughter echoing!
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    uhh yeah whatever 'lead foreperson'

    sorry couldn't resist! Sometimes PC really cracks me up how totally out of left field it is.

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    And that would have led some whacker FD's to create titles such as "Fourth Assistant Secondary Lead FIre Suppression Specialist Trainee".

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    Foreman. That was what our Captain's position was called up until about 30 years ago. Looking back at minutes and call sheets from 100+ years ago, we always wondered where Foreman came from.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Change the name and eliminate the predudice associated with volunteer. We are paided PCF's just not as much. We are Professionals, certified in every way. We are Firefighters, proven by our dedication. Call us FIREFIGHTERS!!!

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    Paided? And you want to be called a professional?

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Paided? And you want to be called a professional?
    ROTFLMAO!
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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    Thumbs down Name change? Nah.

    In 1999, the administration of Northeast Louisiana University in Monroe, LA snuck around the student body and changed the name of the university without notice a week into the fall term. The new name was The University of Louisiana at Monroe.

    Even though the majority of the school's students are from a eight or ten parish area within Louisiana, the new name was supposed to better reflect a broad geographic scope. The president at the time said that the new name showed the school's commitment "throughout the mid-south and beyond."

    Well, the name changed... But the dorms were still run down, enrollment continued to drop, management of the school didn't improve and the football team kept losing. Two years later, the president resigned and left the students and alumni with that silly name.

    The moral? Change the name. Call yourself something different. It doesn't change who you are or how you are perceived... Only you and your actions can change that.

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