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    1st out:
    - front bumper
    100' 1.75 with Akron adjustable nozzle
    50' .75 with Akron adjustable nozzle

    - crosslays
    150' 1.75 with adjustable
    200' 1.75 with adjustable

    - hosebed
    500' 2.5 with no nozzle (used for long stretches along the beach)
    200' 2.5 with 1 1/8 smoothbore
    2 x 100' 1.75 with adjustables (used at the end of the long stretches)

    2nd out:
    - front bumper
    100' 1.75 with Akron adjustable nozzle

    - crosslays
    2 x 200' 1.75 with adjustable
    200' 2.5 with 1 1/8 smoothbore

    - hosebed
    600' 2.5 with no nozzle (used for long stretches along the beach)
    200' 2.5 with 1 1/8 smoothbore



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    Engine 91:
    2- 200' 1 1/2" crosslays
    1- 100' 1 1/2" rear preconnect
    1- 150' 2 1/2" w/ nozzle not connected
    1200' 3" supply split into 2 600' loads

    Engine 92:
    2- 200' 1 1/2" crosslays
    1- 200' 1" Booster reel
    1000' 2 1/2" supply split into 2 500' loads
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    Engine 3
    Crosslay:
    150' 1 3/4" with Akron Turbojet
    200' 1 3/4" with Akron Turbojet
    250' 1 3/4" with Akron Turbojet

    Hosebed:
    200' 2 1/2" with smoothbore 1 1/4" tip
    250' 3" with a wye and 50' of 1 3/4" with Akron turbojet
    200' 3" with a TFT Crossfire

    Booster 200'

    Engine 4 - coming in December - equipped the same

    Tanker 3
    150' 1 3/4" with Akron Turbojet
    200' 1 3/4" with Akron Turbojet

    Left and right side trays have 50' preconnected 3" for quick supply to engine.

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    nice thread guys ..... let's keep it going.

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    We use the standard 1.75" crosslay. We also have 1.5"(front bumper) and 2.5"(hosebed) lines though.

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    Well. My pumper runs the following

    Crosslays
    150' of 1.5" with adjustable fog nozzle (foam line)
    150' of 2.5" with adjustable nozzle

    rear lays
    150' of 1.5" structural line.
    300' of 1.5" forestry hose.

    Only one foam line, but we are goin to see if we can get the rest of them retro fitted, since they missed making them foam in the beginning.

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    Engine: 150 and 200' 1 3/4" crosslays (200 is foam). 200' 2.5" crosslay. 100' 1 3/4" bumper line.

    Quint: Same as Engine except for a 150' bumper line.

    Reserve Engine: 2 150' 1 3/4" crosslays. 200' 1 3/4" crosslay (foam). 200' 2.5" off rear.
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    At my paid dept. we have 1.75" crosslays 2.5" rearlay and 1100' of 5" at the rear.

    At my volley dept. we use 1.75" and 2.5" rearlays and 1200' of 5" at the rear.

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    First out engine:

    Front jump line-150 1 3/4 with Akron turbojets with breakaways
    Front Crosslay-200 1 3/4 with Akron saberjet
    Middle Crossly-200 1 3/4 with Akron saberjet
    Rear Crosslya-200 2 1/2 with Akron saberjet

    Left Rear- 200 3in with TFT Blitzfire combi nozzle and 400 under
    Center Rear-1200 4in
    Right Rear-200 1 3/4 off gated wye with Akro Turbojet w/ breakaways
    400 under

    2-hose packs with 150-1 3/4 with Akron Turbojets w/ breakaways
    foam to front 2 lines A or B
    Second out engine:

    No jump line
    TFT Blitzfire with stacked tips
    EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME


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    2 Engines........

    FIRE Engine....... 2004 Pierce 1,000 GPM/500 Tank
    150 1.5 in the Front Bumper/Combo Nozzle
    100 1.5 Right Running Board Tray/Combo Nozzle
    200 1.5 Rear/Combo Nozzle
    200 2.0 Rear/Stack Tip Nozzle
    300 1.5 Rear/Combo Nozzle
    400 Leader Line Rear/Combo Nozzle (200 2.5/wye/200 2.0)


    RESCUE Engine....... 1995 Spartan/Quality 1,250 GPM/500 Tank
    150 1.5 Front Bumper/Combo Nozzle
    150 1.5 Crosslay/Combo Nozzle
    200 1.5 Crosslay/Combo Nozzle
    250 1.5 Rear/Combo Nozzle
    250 2.0 Rear/Stack Tip Nozzle
    400 Leader Line Rear Same as above.

    Each carries 2 Bags, 1 with 250 1.0 Forestry Hose and Nozzles, Fittings, Etc. Other bag is 150 2.0 Lightweight Standpipe pack.

    Supply is by 1,800 feet of 3 inch in a Split Bed, Can be Laid out Straight, Reverse, Single or Dual, or Split. We do NOT use a hydrant Valve, another Engine is ALWAYS on the hydrant. We also carry a pretty good assortment of Nozzles for all occasions, Including a Looney Gun (If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand ) to operate a 3.0 Handline.

    Having provided this information, here is the disclaimer: I'd make some changes, except that the folks that pull these lines every day have developed the current arrangement over a period of time, and everything works well for them. I'm one of those who think that we have too many sizes of hose out there. I'd be running three sizes, 1 inch, 2 inch, and 3 inch. 1.0 for "Outside" Fires 2.0 for Structural Attack, and 3.0 for Supply and Structural Back up.
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    On our first due engine:

    Front bumper -
    (2) 200 ft 1.75 lines
    (1) 100 ft 1.00 trash

    Crosslays -
    (2) 200 ft 1.75 lines
    (1) 200 ft 2.5 line

    Rear Bed (including supply line) -
    (1) 300 ft 3.00 with attached Blitzfire
    (1) 500 ft 2.5 line (additional lengths for crosslay or backup line)
    (1) 2000 ft 5.00 supply

    Misc -
    Deluge on top
    2500 gallon tank
    All lines are foam capable from the panel
    2000 gpm Hale single stage pump

    Our monster engine

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    We use two 1.5 preconnects to our CAFS unit.

    Saves water and labor. One 1.5 CAFS puts out more fire than any 2.5 water waster. And our department gets re-imbursed by the homeowners policy for the cost of the foam and the use of the truck and manpower that applied it.

    Why are you still using plain old water?


    Any chalengers?
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    We only have 1 engine and it has three 200' 1.75" crosslays with 2 having 200 gpm adjustable rate fog nozzles. One on front bumper with unknown flow fog nozzle.

    We also use FireAde2000 and it cuts down on water usage.
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    Originally posted by cfire3
    Why are you still using plain old water?
    Because we don't have to pay for it and we don't have to bill our taxpayers for anything.

    Go make your sales pitch somewhere else.

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    Originally posted by WTFD10


    Because we don't have to pay for it and we don't have to bill our taxpayers for anything.

    Go make your sales pitch somewhere else.
    Oh me! You must be thinking of someone else. I'm not selling anything. But You might not relize how expensive a tank of your free water actually cost your tax payers. CAFS has been documented by many agencies to be several times more efficiant than water for fire extinguishment. How about if it was just twice as efficiant instead of twenty times as efficiant (National Institute of Standards and Technology says CAFS is Twenty times more efficiant). That would be equivelant to having an extra $500,000 tanker at your fire. It would also mean you could save twice as much of the property in half as much time. And then there is the toxic products of combustion that are carried with your free water down the driveway and into the storm drains that run into your city water supply. Oh! well, I guess the tax payers won't mind you draining the hydrants in the drought areas, after all water is free. Where did you say you live???

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    Originally posted by cfire3


    Oh me! You must be thinking of someone else. I'm not selling anything. But You might not relize how expensive a tank of your free water actually cost your tax payers. CAFS has been documented by many agencies to be several times more efficiant than water for fire extinguishment. How about if it was just twice as efficiant instead of twenty times as efficiant (National Institute of Standards and Technology says CAFS is Twenty times more efficiant). That would be equivelant to having an extra $500,000 tanker at your fire. It would also mean you could save twice as much of the property in half as much time. And then there is the toxic products of combustion that are carried with your free water down the driveway and into the storm drains that run into your city water supply. Oh! well, I guess the tax payers won't mind you draining the hydrants in the drought areas, after all water is free. Where did you say you live???

    Do more with less, work smarter, not harder.
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    Originally posted by cfire3
    We use two 1.5 preconnects to our CAFS unit.

    Saves water and labor. One 1.5 CAFS puts out more fire than any 2.5 water waster. And our department gets re-imbursed by the homeowners policy for the cost of the foam and the use of the truck and manpower that applied it.

    Why are you still using plain old water?


    Any chalengers?
    I think the "any challengers" is what may have got to some. I have still seen houses burn to the ground using foam. If the fire is so intense the fire stream never make it to the fire what is the use. Sometimes you just have to ramp up and go to a heavier stream. We use Class "A" and love it. But don't let the product lure you into bad habits. Remember good fire fighting tactics. The right tool for the job.

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    I recon the "challenge" comment was a bit too agressive, I was just trying to stir up a little debate. I know there will never be a tool that will stop every fire, at least not in my lifetime, but it has taken nearly twenty years to get the fire service to accept using foam for more than oil wells and aircraft fires. And still there are the hold outs that can't think of a good reason to put the fire out faster and easier while reducing the pollution in the air and in the water. It seems they think it all pays the same, why bother with changes. But it's getting a little better I think. Anyway it was really a thrill to put out a coal mine fire 2,000 below the surface and never break a sweat. There are only 112 more still burning.

    Hope to get a shot at more of them.
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    In 1978 we were using pine oil, 5 gallion to 500 gallions of water premixed. What a mess. But it worked. It just takes time. Some depts won't start (if ever) using it until ISO or the State they operate in manidates it.

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    We use 2-200ft 1.75 preconnect
    1-200Ft 2.5 preconnect
    1-200ft 3.o blitz line
    1200 ft 4.0 supply line

    Called our truck manufacture about retroing CAFS on the 30+ year old truck, they sugested we buy a newer truck.
    My son has it where he works, likes it, saves water and the hose is lighter. If FEMA takes pitty on us we will have CAFS otherwise it will be a long time coming.
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    Originally posted by 5pts384


    Called our truck manufacture about retroing CAFS on the 30+ year old truck, they sugested we buy a newer truck.
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    Just a suggestion, could you consider finding a self-contained air compressor with at least 185 cfm and adding a connection to it so that you can lay a water hose from your ageing and limited spaced fire truck to supply the compressor with 100 gpm @ 120 psi water?

    This type of commercial air compressor is usually found in a trailer configuration or a slip-on that can fit into a fast response pickup truck or rescue truck. These are extremely reliable sources of large air supply. And a whole lot less expensive than the add on CAFS.

    A small pneumatic injector pump can supply the concentrate to the discharge and this configuration doesn't effect your fire trucks normal operation in any way except to change its water supply into twenty to sixty times more effectivnes.

    Of course the fire truck manufacturers would love for you to stop ordering those expensive, complex, mechanical CAFS nightmares that they have been repairing daily, so they can get back to designing the massive water pumpers without the separate chemical, pneumatic supply, and air control systems.

    And yes..... I am considering selling these darned things. So I appologise if this sounds like a sales add, it's really just a market research idea.

    Any suggestions?
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    Cross lays

    2 - 200’ 1 3/4” lines with 15/16” smooth bore

    Hose bed

    200’ 2 1/2” with 1 1/4” smooth bore - Preconnected

    600’of 2 1/2” with 1 1/4” smooth bore threaded leader line end with 150’ of 1 3/4” attached

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    Default First due engine

    2/200' 1 1/2 crosslay
    150' 1 1/2 quick attack (front bumper)
    1,000' 2 1/2 hose bed
    800' 1 1/2 hose bed

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