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    at my station Jr.'s arent alowed to have blue lights in their cars, is that rule at every station or does it vary from station to station?

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    Oh dear god, not again.

    My explorer post does not respond. Period. (that pretty much covers the light issue)

    FF can't even have lights (oh, and they're red over here) until their probation is over. This is usually 6 months, longer if they've made any boo-boos.





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    Originally posted by ffexpCP
    Oh dear god, not again.

    My explorer post does not respond. Period. (that pretty much covers the light issue)

    FF can't even have lights (oh, and they're red over here) until their probation is over. This is usually 6 months, longer if they've made any boo-boos.





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    well i do respond, and i was just asking a question.

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    but im talking about juniors being able to have lights, those are regular voulenteers

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    Originally posted by Slaytallica45



    but im talking about juniors being able to have lights, those are regular voulenteers
    Not all of them. You didn't read them. If you have not detected it, this is a sore subject here beat absolutely to death and obliteration.

    Short answer to your original question: It varies from station to station.

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    Not all of them. You didn't read them. If you have not detected it, this is a sore subject here beat absolutely to death and obliteration.

    Short answer to your original question: It varies from station to station.

    If you have any other questions, read those threads first.

    sorry but i looked through the pages of the junior forum since i had a question involving juniors and i didnt see a topic about it. either way, we're not allowed as juniors to have lights on our car but i have them anyway cause i think its bull**** that we cant have lights just cause we are "unessesary members"

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    No. Juniors and/or Explorers are not allowed to use blue lights. We've had them ask, and I have yet to hear 1 of them ever give me a good reason for it. Want to try?
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    Originally posted by Slaytallica45



    sorry but i looked through the pages of the junior forum since i had a question involving juniors and i didnt see a topic about it. either way, we're not allowed as juniors to have lights on our car but i have them anyway cause i think its bull**** that we cant have lights just cause we are "unessesary members"
    Plain and simple of it is,YOU DON'T NEED THEM...Nobody here except for Chiefs and Deputys can have a light..We have a very good response time..Go with the flow instead of worrying about your stupid little light..And no sunshine, it isn't bulls**t that Juniors can't have lights...If you the junior don't make the truck..So be it..Your dept will respond the same with or without you...And probably better without because I'd rather have SR.FF in the truck who can pack up and go into structures instead of a Jr., who until someone gives him somethin to do will stand there with his or her thumb up their *****..Your not a vital responder therefore you don't need them
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    Búsqueda, Suche, Αναζήτηση(greek), recherche, поиск, and finally in English.........SEARCH!!! (I apologize for my outburst)

    Not to burst your bubble, I am an explorer too, but listen to the people with lots of posts, they tend to know what they are talking about. Not saying that a person with 6 posts doesn't know anything about firefighting, but that is just how it tends to be.

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    Oh, I forgot to answer the original question.

    No, we don't have lights in our vehicles. As an explorer why would you need one. Many posts discourage any kind of response to a station for a call because of the Chris Kangas tragedy and many other things. If a fire or incident is big enough, the IC will have us paged out and called by our advisors to report to the station or scene and we are to respond WITH NORMAL TRAFFIC.
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    Originally posted by ndvfdff33


    Plain and simple of it is,YOU DON'T NEED THEM...Nobody here except for Chiefs and Deputys can have a light..We have a very good response time..Go with the flow instead of worrying about your stupid little light..And no sunshine, it isn't bulls**t that Juniors can't have lights...If you the junior don't make the truck..So be it..Your dept will respond the same with or without you...And probably better without because I'd rather have SR.FF in the truck who can pack up and go into structures instead of a Jr., who until someone gives him somethin to do will stand there with his or her thumb up their *****..Your not a vital responder therefore you don't need them
    how the **** can you tell me what i do at a fire scene? you dont even know me, "who until someone gives him something to do stands there with their thumbs up their ***". **** you, when i make a truck to the scene of a fire i dont stand there, i actually help, manning outside lines on the building, running tools to the door that the team on the interior needs. i think i am a vital part of the responding team, because if it wasnt me doing those jobs, then it'd have to be a certified firefighter doing the job, who could be better spending his time on the inside where i cant go. so dont go telling me what the **** i do on the scene for my dept, sunshine.
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    This is coming from a friend of Slaytallica's and a a Jr. member of the same dept. Slaytallica's been on our squad for a while, he's good at what he does, and he knows his stuff. At the point he's at now, I don't think it's a streach AT ALL to call him a vital member of our station, in fact I would say he is to the 'undth degree. This guys at the station, regardless of the time of day, or weather, before anyone else shows up. (I'm trying to avoid the lights issue, and simply defend this guy and us juniors alike).
    If young guys like him ^^ and myself weren't on the squad, standing, as you so kindly put it "with our thumbs up our ***'" then all the Sr.'s would be doing the tedious work we do, somehow I think the Sr.'s thank God we're around at 3 a.m. to grab them a seatbelt cutter, or crib a car, while they're getting ready to cut out a windshield. The arrogance that allot of guys on here emote is really dumbfounding, I can't undertand why individuals my age, with the initiative to join a fire dept. while most 16yr olds are dicking around at the mall, are looked down upon in such a way that you ndvfdff33 have expressed.

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    Originally posted by Slaytallica45


    how the **** can you tell me what i do at a fire scene? you dont even know me, "who until someone gives him something to do stands there with their thumbs up their ***". **** you, when i make a truck to the scene of a fire i dont stand there, i actually help, manning outside lines on the building, running tools to the door that the team on the interior needs. i think i am a vital part of the responding team, because if it wasnt me doing those jobs, then it'd have to be a certified firefighter doing the job, who could be better spending his time on the inside where i cant go. so dont go telling me what the **** i do on the scene for my dept, sunshine.
    Ok..Yeah I'll give you that one...But how does this still give reasoning for you to need a light? You don't need to be and shouldn't be on the first truck out so therefore like I say its not vital that you are there ASAP..Go with normal traffic...Get on the 2nd or 3rd in truck...And for your info..I wasn't telling you what you can do...But someone on your dept can.And if you read, I didn't say you stand there the entire time..But often times you could wait around until someone asks to do something..I did the junior thing myself..I know what goes on...I never worried about wanting a light and nor should you....I went and did my thing...Hell I'm on the regular side of it now and I still couldn't care a less if I have one


    And Pierce..In no way was I calling him bad at what he does...I was simply stating theres not a vital requirement for him to be there very quickly...
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    Default Re: does your department allow you to use blue lights?

    All right, let's revisit the original question:

    Originally posted by Slaytallica45
    at my station Jr.'s arent alowed to have blue lights in their cars, is that rule at every station or does it vary from station to station?
    And let's revisit the answer, again:

    Originally posted by RLFD14
    It varies from station to station.
    And let's revisit the resources available should there be any other questions on this subject, because this has all been covered and there is nothing new under the sun on this topic:

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    Why should juniors OR explorers have lights they aren't certified thus don't need to speed through the town and possibly getting into an accident or causing one... let alone a driver's license..since they are usually ages 14-16,at least in my state.

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    For us (NJ), Jr.'s are aged 16-18, so most of us can drive.

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    Why do you need a warning light?

    Most states in the US, regulate the use of "other lights" by the State Police.

    Explorers, juniors and such do not come under the guidelines for having a warning light. Besides, no one pays any attention to someone with a light on their dash, roof, grill, bumper or any where else, UNLESS you have a siren operating and a completely make vehicle, and then it is only minimal at best. It doesn’t give you the right of way. It is only asking for the right of way. Fire apparatus and ambulances as well as the police are required to come to a complete STOP ate red traffic signals and stop sign in Virginia. That is the law we live with.

    If I am responding in my marked city furnished car, I rarely use the lights or siren as I have members that can first the fire and have all the great goodies on the truck. All I have a CO-2 and a Dry Chemical extinguisher, so I can do but so much. Chiefs busting their butts and arriving first on the scene kind of look stupid standing there waiting for the trucks to get there. The same thing for explorers and juniors.

    FORGET ABOUT THE LIGHTS, RED, BLUE, GREEN, AMBER or any other color.

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    I asked my Dad's opinion whose I trust as he was a Master FF/LT in Maryland for 28 years, and he says that FD's do just as fine with out us too. I admit that I would like to respond to calls also, but the dept does not allow it. This doesnt really bug me either. The dept has enough members turn out for calls and we are very rarely called out. And as far as senior ff's doing more important stuff, look at FDNY, Chicago, or even others in your area, they dont have us running around, and they put out fires too. You are lucky that you are allowed to respond to calls, but you do not need a red or blue light if you are not certified or even old enough to be a full member. There are many other threads on here about jr's and explorers being mad at their depts for not letting them respond to the station to make a call, but most people agree that if the dept is in a bad enough staffing problem that they need jr's or explorers to fufill major fireground duties on every call, something is wrong. I can understand responding (with normal traffic) to a five-alarm factory fire, but a 46 year old with chest pain, a 13 year old with trouble breathing, or an MVA on the interstate, I personnaly think that the certified ff's need to do the job. As many others say, "you are taking up the seat of a certified ff, who can do more than you. If we are allowed to go on a call or even a parade and there is an extra certified ff we get booted off.
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