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    If my daughter was lookin to marry one of my firefighters, he damn sure better find himself a new job!!!
    The last thing I need is for my pumpkin to marry one of those hose humpin, rope swingin, smoke eatin, ladder climbin half apes...OOPS, just described myself. Never mind.


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    The International Association of Firefighters has taken up
    Cooper's cause. Dominick Barbera, president of the group's
    Southeast regional office, spoke to council members.
    "I look at firefighters as brothers and sisters. We don't want
    to be treated differently. We just want to be treated fairly. I ask
    you to bless this marriage and allow Matt to keep his job,"
    Barbera said.


    Although they don't quite have the info right... He's 12th District V.P. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY YOU SHOULD BE AN IAFF MEMBER (If your career of course)
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    Default Re: Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid,......................

    Originally posted by jasper45



    I guess I would love to see this happen, trouble is, it'll only happen in fantasy land. If this were'nt the case, we would have no more residency.
    Time after time, in court after court it still stands. (residency)
    It's not a violation of your civil rights, you don't have the absolute right to be a firefighter, or to work for that city. If you agree to the rules and, sign off on them, at your appointment your bound by them. If you don't like the rules at hand, you can always find a new line of work, or a differant department who, at the very least doesn't have that rule.
    Trust me, we've argued almost every point to argue, and we've lost every time.
    The only real potential weak point is if it was proven the city /department did not enforce a particular rule equally.
    Depends on where you are Jasper, Our city dropped its residency requirement on the advice of the city attourney. He said that the city would be bound to lose if someone charged them under federal human rights legislation
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    Originally posted by Bones42
    Woods, how do you expect to win a lawsuit against a rule that you agreed to? If you didn't agree with the rule, why did you agree to it? It's not like this just popped up out of nowhere, he knew about it, he was warned about it, they offered him something else, he chose to ignore it. Now he's trying to fight it at the last minute instead of well ahead of time.
    Bones quite simply you do not sign away your "civil rights" by acepting employment. No matter what the bylaws of this city are.
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    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY YOU SHOULD BE AN IAFF MEMBER (If your career of course)
    Amen brother
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    Since when is fighting fire not a family tradition. Just my opinion of course but if it never was a family tradition take a look at how many firefighter we WOULDN'T have in this country. I used to work in SC and know of alot of family members working together. I saw it go both ways...good and bad....hey comes with the job...

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    COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - A Rock Hill firefighter who is fighting to
    keep his job after the city said he violated its anti-nepotism
    policy can return to work Tuesday, but his long-term future with
    the department remains uncertain.
    A state judge extended a temporary restraining order Monday that
    will allow Matt Cooper to return to work. Circuit Judge John C.
    Hayes issued the temporary order until he can rule within the next
    few days on whether Cooper can keep his job while he sues the city.
    The city says Cooper violated policy when he married a fire
    captain's daughter last month.
    The city wanted to fire Cooper, 25, after he married Brooke
    Lowery, 21, the daughter of Capt. Herbie Lowery. The city said
    Cooper's marriage violates a rule that forbids relatives, including
    in-laws, from working in the same department.
    The city allowed Cooper to work for 30 days after his June 18
    marriage. But days before the city's termination deadline, Cooper
    filed a lawsuit claiming he is not Lowery's immediate family
    member, and said other city employees are relatives employed within
    the same department.
    "He will be going to work tomorrow, one more day," Cooper's
    attorney Molly Elkin said by telephone after the hearing. "I'm
    worried for his job because I think the city is going to try to
    fire him for bogus reasons at this point."
    Cooper had been able to work beyond the city's July 18 deadline
    after federal Judge Margaret Seymour issued a 10-day restraining
    order before she sent the case back to state court Friday.
    Seymour's order expired Monday, forcing Cooper to seek an
    extension in state court. Now Cooper's attorneys want him to be
    able to keep his job until the judge can rule on the case.
    Without an injunction preventing his firing, Cooper "will
    suffer immediate and irreparable injury as he was being forced to
    sacrifice his livelihood, income, career and firefighter
    brotherhood simply because of whom he marries," Cooper's attorneys
    have said in the complaint.
    City attorneys said during the hearing that Cooper wants to be
    placed "above the law" and that keeping him creates potentially
    dangerous problems.
    "This thing has broken down," the city's attorney Dirk
    Aydlette said in a story on The (Rock Hill) Herald's Web site. "It
    cannot be repaired. It is a bad idea to put this gentleman back at
    work with a fire chief that doesn't want him. It would be
    dangerous."

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    SCREW POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!

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    Sometimes "temporary" things become permanent....

    "This thing has broken down," the city's attorney Dirk
    Aydlette said in a story on The (Rock Hill) Herald's Web site. "It
    cannot be repaired. It is a bad idea to put this gentleman back at
    work with a fire chief that doesn't want him. It would be
    dangerous."
    I see this quote as a veiled threat against Firefighter Matt Cooper.

    Sometimes the politicians provide all the ammunition that the firefighters need to win their case!
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    Thumbs up Welcome back to Northwest OH Matt

    http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?se...cal&id=3478133

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    September 26, 2005 - Firefighter hired after losing his job in South Carolina over nepotism

    ROCK HILL, S.C. (AP) - A firefighter who lost his job after marrying the daughter of a fire captain at another city station has been hired as a firefighter in his hometown in northwest Ohio.

    Matt Cooper, 25, was fired in July after a judge refused to let him keep his job while he challenged Rock Hill's anti-nepotism policy. The policy bans relatives, including in-laws, from working in the same department.

    There's no such rule in Findlay, Ohio, a city of about 40,000 people about 40 miles south of Toledo. Cooper's father, Robin, is a captain in the Findlay Fire Department.


    The younger Cooper starts work on Monday. "They don't see a problem with it," he said. "They hire who they think is best qualified."

    Matt Cooper said his father didn't play a role in getting him hired. He took a written test and completed agility drills that included dragging a fire hose, carrying a ladder and handling an ax.

    Returning to the town where he grew up provides a satisfying ending to the ordeal, he said.

    "I'd rather be here than anywhere else," he said. "It's a family oriented town.

    "You don't have to follow rules that are ridiculous."

    Cooper and his wife, Brooke, are staying at his father's house while they look for a home. Her father, Herbie Lowery, is a captain with the Rock Hill Fire Department. Mrs. Cooper, a hair stylist, hopes to find work at a Findlay salon.

    Circuit Judge John C. Hayes said Rock Hill's policy was clear, and refused to allow Cooper to keep working while the two-year firefighter challenged it.


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    Rock Hill's loss. How much money did they lose by following a stupid rule?
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    Brother Sharkie... i think the bigger question is..

    "how many potential firefighters who would actually care about the job will never get hired because of Rock Hill's nepotism law?"

    Imagine what the fire service would be like if family tradition of pride in the job and service to the community were not there because of neptism laws...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    Rock Hill's loss. How much money did they lose by following a stupid rule?
    And how much heart?

    Rock Hill's loss is Ohio's gain. I may have to take a ride to Findlay.
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    Devil's Advocate: If Rock Hill FF's cared so much, have they fought to get the rule changed?

    Or do they simply complain about it when it's too late?
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    Unless there is only one firehouse in town and he cannot avoid working with his father in law,I don't see a problem.All they have to do is ensure the two are never assigned to the same house.
    One good upside to working with an in law is that your behavior gets instantly known by your spouse.
    One bad side to working with an in law...is that your behavior gets instantly known by your spouse.
    BTDT.Got the divorce.

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