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    Post Problem: The illegal opening of hydrants

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - When a firefighter shut off a gushing
    hydrant used by residents to cool off, people doused him with water
    guns and surrounded his pickup truck, banging the hood and sides
    with their hands.
    Fire officials are trying to stop the illegal opening of
    hydrants that has picked up over the last week as temperatures
    increased.
    From Sunday through Tuesday, when the temperature hit 90 degrees
    each day, firefighters received 261 reports of opened hydrants,
    bringing the total for June to 285. During the first five months of
    the year, the department received 65 reports, most of which were
    leaks, not illegal openings, said Battalion Chief Doug Smith,
    spokesman for the fire division.
    The firefighter who arrived alone Monday to close the hydrant on
    the city's east side called Columbus police for help.
    A man who broke a mirror on the truck was charged with criminal
    damaging.
    "The firefighter was a little wet and a little upset," said
    Columbus Police officer Matt Dunbar, who responded to help. "But
    he was OK."
    About 2,500 gallons of drinking water surge out each minute a
    hydrant is open, costing the city $10 every 60 seconds.
    A large number of open hydrants also lowers water pressure in
    the area, fire officials said.
    "If there's a fire, we might have a tough time getting the
    water pressure to put it out," Smith said.
    To counter the problem, police officers have agreed to begin
    enforcing a law against tampering with hydrants, which carries a
    $300 fine. And the parks department will open two of the city's 11
    pools this weekend, instead of waiting until the scheduled opening
    June 19.
    The city has also ordered 55 tamper-proof caps, which can only
    be opened with a special wrench, to test on some of the hydrants
    most often uncapped.
    A program to open some hydrants in city parks after three
    consecutive days of 90-degree temperatures starts June 20 after
    summer workers begin.
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    Information from: The Columbus Dispatch, http://www.dispatch.com


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    Thats one advantage of the ball valves that require stand pipes. Not too many people have stand pipes sitting around in their garden shed.
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    The City of Toledo, OH started putting in the tamper-proof hydrants a few years ago because there was such a problem with people opening them.......
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    The City of Toledo, OH started putting in the tamper-proof hydrants a few years ago because there was such a problem with people opening them.......
    I'm willing to bet that if the people there are as smart as the ones here...they've already figured out how to circumvent any so called "tamper-proof" hydrants.

    I won't expand on what they use...but I'll just say all the materials are readilly accessible in the hood.

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    magnetic top hydrants seem to work fine out here.

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    They have a hell of a time getting water from hydrants here...they're all draft hydrants....
    I can't believe (well, yes I can) that people actually started attacking this brother for doing his job....ok, dumb question...but since I live in an area with all draft hydrants...how prevalant is this problem? I'm assuming it's going on just about everywhere...
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    To my knowledge we have never had that happen in town...of course the reports of this are in big cities, and my town is very small. We get a little tampering with hydrants, but not too much. We've found pop cans and junk stuffed in one before, but nothing major. Biggest problem we have is in the winter...we put metal hydrant flags on to find them in the snow and we have several bent beyond repair every year, because apparently they make great snowball launchers if bent back and let go.
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    Originally posted by FFFRED


    I'm willing to bet that if the people there are as smart as the ones here...they've already figured out how to circumvent any so called "tamper-proof" hydrants.

    I won't expand on what they use...but I'll just say all the materials are readilly accessible in the hood.

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    I'm sure they probably have........ These hydrants have a ring that goes around the top so you need a wrench with a socket-type fittingin order toopen it........ I know they still have some problems, but not nearly as many as in the past........
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    Okay, maybe I'm looking at this from a backwards Canadian point of view, but if these folks (I'm guessing more likely kids) are consistently defeating your systems to find relief from the heat, how about fabricating up a couple of low flow sprinkler heads to stick on a hydrant or two. Sacrifice a couple of hydrants to protect the rest.

    Even better, spend a few bucks on a free community sprinkler park.
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    magnetic top hydrants seem to work fine out here.
    Give it time...there is a discarded consumer electronic product seen all over the hood that makes it quite easy along with a stillson wrench to open those types.

    Although most people in the areas where this is prevelant have poor educations and few marketable skills for the private sector they always can figure out methods of circumventing any designed safety or anti-tamper device...much like most firemen I know

    Okay, maybe I'm looking at this from a backwards Canadian point of view, but if these folks (I'm guessing more likely kids) are consistently defeating your systems to find relief from the heat, how about fabricating up a couple of low flow sprinkler heads to stick on a hydrant or two. Sacrifice a couple of hydrants to protect the rest.
    We've done that here. But in many cases the local firehouse doesn't have any spray caps left...or the person who picked it up gave fake ID and now has a spray cap all to himself....also many are apparently too lazy to do this. Where used they do save tons of water.

    Also as you mentioned I've seen many new parks here with little areas where water intermittantly sprays out in a fountain for the kids. Pretty good idea...especially since today it is going to be over 90 in the city.

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    In another forum I got shot down because I said that I learned to flush a hydrant before you hook up because of debris, etc. And I do not live in a high crime town by any means. I was told that evn though you might have an intake screen, a pop can will shoot right through it when the pump is taking in water. I guess people do things differntly everywhere.

    Okay, maybe I'm looking at this from a backwards Canadian point of view, but if these folks (I'm guessing more likely kids) are consistently defeating your systems to find relief from the heat, how about fabricating up a couple of low flow sprinkler heads to stick on a hydrant or two. Sacrifice a couple of hydrants to protect the rest.
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    This problem happens down here too, but the motivation is usually vandalism rather than an effort to escape the heat. They'll go to a remote area and open several hydrants in a row and can literally drain the water system.

    We've got one area that 'lost' their hydrant because it was continually opened. It is still in the ground but has been cut off at the main.

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    In another forum I got shot down because I said that I learned to flush a hydrant before you hook up because of debris, etc. And I do not live in a high crime town by any means. I was told that evn though you might have an intake screen, a pop can will shoot right through it when the pump is taking in water. I guess people do things differntly everywhere.
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    Originally posted by Dave1983


    Why would you get shot down for that? All the departments around here do it, including mine.
    The others said that it wastes vital time of getting water on the fire and debris won't damage the pump, etc. They said why open it x amount of times when you need to open it x+15 times to fully open it wheen hooked up, might as well hook it up right there I guess.
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    is this thing getting hijacked ? ......as crappy as some of our water ssytem is I would like to hope to get the hydrant flushed befor hooking it up. It rarely happens, when ISO was here last we watched a HUGE chunk of concrete come hurling out of the plug, whilest testing it, had it made it to the pump it would have been very BAD !
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    Originally posted by Weruj1
    is this thing getting hijacked ? ......as crappy as some of our water ssytem is I would like to hope to get the hydrant flushed befor hooking it up. It rarely happens, when ISO was here last we watched a HUGE chunk of concrete come hurling out of the plug, whilest testing it, had it made it to the pump it would have been very BAD !
    I am sure that you(Weruj1), the chief or anyone else on the dept. would not appreciate it if we (the explorers) didn't flush a plug before hooking up to 794 and something bad happened.
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    Originally posted by FFFRED
    Give it time...there is a discarded consumer electronic product seen all over the hood that makes it quite easy along with a stillson wrench to open those types.
    Well, I think I've got a pretty good idea what you're talking about as far as the "discarded consumer electronic product," but I still can't get past the magnetic top hydrants. Never heard of or seen this before...anyone have a pic?
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    Around here Providence has the "hood proof" hydrants, but like Fred stated, they have found a way around it. Talked to a friend of mine on PFD, said it has been sporadic but it is still early. The kids get out of school this week so it might become more prevalent.
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