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    Default The State Farm Auto Design & Extrication program

    Hey gang...

    State Farm, the auto and home insurance company, is helping me with some really great extrication training. On Friday June 17, at 1:00pm Central time, I appeared on State Farm's private satellite television network in a program titled 'Auto Design & Extrication'. It's a 90-minute broadcast that went out to the State Farm District offices that have the special downlink receiver equipment.

    The broadcast was organized into four segments:
    airbag update,
    electrical system technology, hybrid vehicle emergency procedures, and a great segment on new vehicle design and construction technology.

    Fire departments nationwide traveled to their local State Farm offices to actually sit in on this broadcast and interact with me in the 'live' presentation.

    The streaming video of the program is available on the State Farm website. Airbags, electrical systems, hybrid vehicles, and vehicle design and construction are the four categories we address. The direct link for the streaming video is; www.statefarm.com/sftv/sftv.htm or http://www.statefarm.com/consumer/consum.htm

    Want to see a hybrid vehicle that has actually be involved in a collision? Interested in how it did or didn't hold up? Sitting right next to that is a Honda Insight that has been systematically cut away to show all the hybrid vehicle components. Great opportunity to see what really makes up a hybrid vehicle.

    Have you ever seen one of the new SMART passenger front seats that knows how you are sitting in the seat? If you fall asleep as a passenger, it shuts off the side impact airbag automatically. The State Farm broadcast will show how this amazing new technology works and much more.

    Confused about boron, that exotic metal you hear so much about? Have you ever seen the B-pillar of a Subaru Forester; the one that actually has a piece of steel rebar welded inside it? Well I'll show that and actually take it apart piece by piece. You won't believe it!
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    Thanks for the info! Sounds great.
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    You spoke of a guidebook put out by Holmatro that lists vehicle air bag systems. Could you possibly let me know how I could obtain a copy?

    I mentioned the airbag guidebook during the Q&A sessions. It is published by Holmatro as a book and/or CD-ROM. They are a rescue tool manufacturer headquartered in Holland with a U.S. manufacturing plant in Maryland.

    The book is advertised online at the Holmatro website. The URL is;

    http://www.holmatro-usa.com/notify.htm
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    State Farm Broadcast FAQ

    I could not attend the Ďliveí satellite broadcast forum given by yourself regarding updates in the auto extrication field. How can I view the material after the fact?

    ANSWER: The streaming video of the program is available on the State Farm website. Airbags, electrical systems, hybrid vehicles, and vehicle design and construction are the four categories we address. The direct link for the streaming video is; www.statefarm.com/sftv/sftv.htm or http://www.statefarm.com/consumer/consum.htm
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    Is the State Farm training program similar to the 2004 University of Extrication: Airbag Update webcast you did on firehouse.com website?


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    Portions of the State Farm program are similar to my webcast but in that previous firehouse.com program, I only addressed airbags. The State Farm program includes state-of-the-art information on airbags and then also addresses hybrid vehicles, electrical systems, and new vehicle design and construction materials.

    The State Farm engineers also created some awesome training props that responders have never seen before. Thereís lots of material that I haven't discussed in any of my previous programs. Tune in...you won't be sorry.

    www.statefarm.com/sftv/sftv.htm or http://www.statefarm.com/consumer/consum.htm
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    I am wondering if I can receive additional training information on new electric/hybrid/cars. I have called dealerships and researched info and cannot find anything.

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    I can send you my Hybrid vehicle training program files that I use when I teach these classes. They are too big to email. I need a good mailing address to burn a CD and will then mail it to you directly.
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    When I remove the positive cable from a crashed vehicle's battery, I then contact the (+)cable to the ground (-) side in an attempt to discharge capacitors connected to the wiring inside the airbag deployment module. Does the triggering circuitry provide diode isolation to prevent this from working? Basic electricity concept is that if I short out the capacitor, It won't hold a charge thereby (hopefully) preventing it from deploying the airbags.

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    You're right. The presence of diodes in the electrical circuitry prevents forced draining of the capacitors when the positive and negative are touched together. It sounds like a good idea but it won't accomplish what we want to accomplish on today's vehicles.
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    When inside a crashed vehicle with full PPE, (gloves) it will be difficult to get a purchase point on the interior plastics covering a roof bag pressurized cylinder. Is there any recommended tool for performing the task safely? A large screwdriver may do the trick, but I'd like your input. Perhaps a "wonderbar" carpentry tool would provide better leverage.

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    I don't have a preferred tool for stripping the trim. What I use however that seems effective is a small carpentry tool; a small nail puller. Something like a small Stanley Wonder Bar. I bought my little nail puller after looking through the tool display at Home Depot. Get something with a little pry end and a curve to it that will give you a little leverage. The wide flat end on the opposite end of the curve slides into the seams of the headliner or interior trim really well.
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    What is the URL for viewing the streaming video of the State Farm training programs?

    ANSWER: The streaming video of the program is available on the State Farm website. Airbags, electrical systems, hybrid vehicles, and vehicle design and construction are the four categories we address. The direct link for the streaming video is; www.statefarm.com/sftv/sftv.htm or http://www.statefarm.com/consumer/consum.htm
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    The link Ron posted lead me directly to the video. It would be great if State Farm would make a DVD available with the program at a minimal cost. Possibly if a multitude of folks asked for that, it would happen. Anyone willing to send an email to State Farm and ask?
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    Hi!

    I just want to recommend everybody to view the streaming video. It's a great training opportunity everybody should take. There were great training props and the whole broadcast was very very professional. I've just finished looking it.

    Congratulations Ron!
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    The video is great, however, online is likely the only opportunity we'll have to see it. I had a friend with State Farm call the corporate folks and they say that it will NOT be released to hard copy due to the legal weenies at corporate....they don't want people to see it a few years from now and think that "this is the way to perform extrication" when technology may have changed. They sure went to alot of expense making a great learning tool that the masses may never get to see.

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    Do you want the State Farm 105 minute training program to be available as a DVD? Well right now, it's not possible. State Farm likes that there are no permanent copies available in case something in the program goes out of date, etc. They're satisfied with only having it available as a streaming video.

    However, with this first of its kind broadcast to the Fire Service, we made and are still making a huge impression on the Corporate mindset. They have never had such a response in both attendance for the 'live' program, the call-in phone questions, and now email questions. It's flooding the system and getting attention within the home office. Keep it up!

    There is a now also a chance that we can change the mindset at State Farm Corporate. If you'd like to let an individual within the Corporate office know that a DVD would be a good idea, distributed free through your local State Farm agent, then send an email to Rich Pingeton. His email is rich.pingeton.sqvi@statefarm.c om and he can pass your message on to those that can make the decision. Rich is a specialist with the State Farm Public Relations Marketing division.

    Maybe something will get through and a DVD copy will be available of this program. it will make training with this material easier for all of us.
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    State Farm Broadcast FAQ

    With the Toyota Prius, are the front wheels attached to the generators that charge the batteries? If they are, in a rollover situation with the wheels facing up, how much rotation of the wheels will it take to generate an electrical charge? Would this be a concern even if the battery has been disconnected?

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    Regerative braking is linked to the front wheel rotation on the Prius. Iím awaiting word back from the Toyota Prius engineers as to exactly how much rotation it takes to generate any electrical current. Toyota states that during deceleration, such as braking, the vehicle regenerates kinetic energy from the front wheels to produce electricity that recharges the battery pack. The energy from the regenerative brakes feed directly to the high voltage battery and does not energize the 12 volt electrical system on the Prius.

    In a real world crash scenario with a roof resting vehicle, the front wheels typically are not rotating unless it is a front-wheel drive vehicle that is stuck in drive with the accelerator pedal jammed in the Ďoní position.

    A roof-resting hybrid vehicle crash however is a serious challenge. If airbags have not deployed then the high voltage system can remain energized. One way of shutting down the HV power is disconnecting or cutting the 12 volt battery cables. This will be next to impossible on a roof-resting hybrid with the 12 volt battery within the engine compartment. It will be a significant challenge with a roof-resting hybrid that has itsí 12 volt battery in the trunk.
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    Like most material thats published, some becomes out of date. I think we should pursue getting the material onto a DVD for widespread distribution.
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    I managed to save the entire video to disk so I can play it back without having to stream it off the net. It is a 376mb file, 1 hour and 45 minutes. I haven't watched it yet, but I do plan on it today.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    How were you able to do that, I tried and all it did was save the link location to watch the streaming video..

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    Yea, what they have on their website is simply a playlist which streams the video stored elsewhere on their servers. The whole point of that is so it can't be saved the usual way. You can get software that will record streaming media content and save it is as a normal Windows Media file.

    I used a program called "Hi-Net Recorder" which is free and very easy to use. But again, this video is a very big file. A megabit DSL connection will take about an hour. A 300k DSL connection will take around 3 hours. A dial-up connection will take in excess of 15 hours (impractical).

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    Please note, I am not suggesting anyone steal or violate the rights of this video. I suggest this mearly for the purpose of simplifying the playback for training purposes or viewing at locations where high-speed internet is not available.
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    Ron- You mentioned that the toyota cuts a high voltage relay when you disconnect the 12 volt power. You then mentioned something about capacitor drain time but I didn't catch it. Can you reiterate the details of that?

    Thanks!

    P.S.- This video is great!
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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