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    Default What would you like to see?

    I was curious what everyone wants to see in the future of apparatus. What would be your ideal truck of today? (feel free to combine manufacturers) What would make the process of truck ordering easier? Just curious to see everyones responses! Try to keep the bashing to a minimum, thanks!

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    Default Things I would like to see

    Apparatus paint that reflects the light that shines on it to make it truly visible. Of course, the color of preference is [size=huge] red! [/size]

    All apparatus equipped with airbags for the driver and passenger.

    Large indicator lights made standard to see how much water is in the tank. A similar system for fuel levels in the rigs, especially when they are working at extended operations.

    Bumper height emergency lights so the morons can see the big red truck in their rear view mirror.

    Dashcams like those found in the police cruisers so people who fail to yield, pull out in front of you etc, can receive the tickets they so rightly deserve. It would also make the drivers aware of red lights and stop signs!

    Rear vision camera systems standard on all fire apparatus.

    For the rigs with the electronic throttle controls, a manual throttle that will work if the system craps out.

    Hosebed heights that do not cause nosebleeds.

    Better and safer access to hosebeds (small steps don't cut it!)

    Accessible preconnects, steps made standard to make reloading hose easier.
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    Talking future

    Oh, gee, how about a three story rig the fire guys can just live in and work from so we can save money by not building fire stations. Sorry guys I just could not resist that. Really I would like to see a rig built by whoever that is KISS, quality and with SERVICE, SERVICE AND SERVICE. Keep the electronics gadgets unless you can gurantee they won't fail at the drop of water, bumps, shakes etc. Build it right or don't bother. All of the current manufactures have the ability to do it right if they just try. Get rid of the bean counters trying to make a penny by cutting corners. I like my job and I will still have things to fix and service but maybe not so mnay and not so often.

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    Get rid of all the damn electronics and computers.
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    Default good good!!

    Very good suggestions captgonzo!!

    See this is a place where people can brainstorm and gather new ideas!

    I agree with many of your points capt, good ideas create safer trucks. I would like to see Chevron Striping standard on the rear of all apparatus. Arrowsticks standard. Remote controlled deck guns standard. I'll think of more later on, keep 'em coming!!

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    I'd like to see each apparatus come with a standard of five or six trained firefighters, personally..

    I'm sure Kussmaul could rig you up a water/food auto-eject for em...
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    8V92 Detroits and the similar slobbering Detroits!

    In reality, i'd like to see trucks that do not look like these new concept cars. I'd like to see some kind of setup that will tell the officer what seats are occupied and/or which riders do not have seatbelts on. I'd like to see TurtleTiles standard on all trucks. I'd love to see a shutdown timer on the turbo'd trucks because it's almost impossible to drill into peoples heads to let the turbo cool down. That's about it for now.

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    Default Re: What would you like to see?

    Originally posted by jake2415
    I was curious what everyone wants to see in the future of apparatus.
    Affordability....
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    Thumbs up Boda Turbo-Lube

    I'd love to see a shutdown timer on the turbo'd trucks because it's almost impossible to drill into peoples heads to let the turbo cool down.
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    Default Re: good good!!

    Originally posted by jake2415
    I would like to see Chevron Striping standard on the rear of all apparatus. Arrowsticks standard. Remote controlled deck guns standard. I'll think of more later on, keep 'em coming!!
    Seen the new Rosenbauer "TechDrive05" rigs ??
    http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/App...ve05/Index.cfm


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    2) I am not in any way, shape, or form affiliated with Rosenbauer nor is my posting of this link an endorsement of their products.
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    some of this just needed to said again and i tossed in couple of new ones i hope

    i like the idea of a manual throttle override

    crosslays on the front bumber quicker comeing off and putting back on

    outlaw electric controlled intake and discharge valves

    ladders for getting into the hose bed on engines like they have on ladder trucks

    a great big light for low fuel level indicator

    no engine start without occupied seats haveing the seatbelts fastened

    a hidden cutoff switch for the q siren and air horns for the nosie happy people

    a law that makes the people who buy junk to save a dollar, that requires them to work on the things

    a place to curl up and hide in when someone on the dept. dose somethink really dumb and people see it

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    Default Rosenbauer

    First of all, Rosenbauer is JUNK, second of all I was talking about making those things NFPA standard, not just standard for one company. Tech Drive my *****, most of the things there showing off have been around forever but there expensive and thats why you dont seen those things on many trucks.

    Thank you FWDbuff for not blasting me again for liking E-One's.

    Sometimes I wish someone from NFPA would read some of these forums and maybe be ahead of the curve when it comes to safety. Thanks for all the posts, keep em coming!!

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    I'll put a junk General Safety (they're under Rosenbauer as well) rig against any E-One, any day of the week...

    Nobody builds an aluminum body like General, sorry.

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    Jake2415, I would like to hear your comments on why you say what you do?

    Have you seen Rosenbauer trucks lately? Have you taken the time to check out the Tech Drive trucks?

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    I've seen the Tech Drive trucks and checked them out. I can't imagine anyone that runs a lot of fire runs and drops hose regularly wanting anything to do with them.

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    Lightbulb I'd like to see.......

    More mid-mount towers!!!! Less multi-plexing.
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    Default Rosenbauer

    Ok General does make a decent rig, bit it is basically a copy of an E-One body, and they use off the shelf extrusions whereas E-One Engineers every extrusion for each individual use. Everything else Rosenbauer makes is junk though, Central States are cheap and they show it, and a "Hot Dipped Galvinized Ladder?" Yea sure Tech Drive '05 sounds cool, but its nothing new. I'm sure you can tell I'm a big E-One fan (easy FWDbuff) but I can also acknowledge a good truck when i see one: Pierce, Kme...(oh i couldnt say that without laughing) I really do like Pierce but not KME. Feel free to bash E-One, I think FWDbuff has done plenty of that, but I like them and thats my opinion. I would like to see some consolidation in the fire truck market and bring it back to maybe 4 major manufacturers. There are too many "cheap" junk trucks out there that people buy because of money issues. Trust me with fire trucks, you get what you pay for. Now lets get off of manufacturer bashing and back to the original question. I like alot of the ideas I've heard and alot of you out there are very smart when it comes to apparatus design, so lets keep it goin!!

    Sorry to put my 2 cents in about E-One and Rosenbauer, just like to argue sometimes! Thanks guys!

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    My suggestions....
    1. As Gonzo stated, lower the hosebeds!
    2. Go back to basics...an engine company=hose and water and a ladder company=tools and aerial support. No more multi-tasking of apparatus. Personnel to support this also.
    3. Recessed MDC terminals in the dash. How much more crap can we possibly bolt onto the dog house? Better yet, integrate the MDC, the siren, radio and mapping tools into ONE user friendly touch screen in the dash.
    4. Improved HVAC systems...integrate the controls into the touch screen I mentioned earlier.
    5. More options built into the base purchase price. Slide out trays, tool mounting brackets etc...Eliminate the high priced extras.
    6. Stay with the tradional styling. Aerodynamics do not apply for a firetruck.

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    I won't take the time to really lay this out, but the General rigs are not E-One clones. Maybe that's the official E-One line to get people not to look at them, but I've seen how they're built, and the only thing the two have in common is yes, extrusions are used in their construction and they both use aluminum. If its a copy, where is E-One's 20 year body warranty?

    In my opinion, the more builders the better. Young upstarts with good ideas keep the big boys on their toes. Family owned builders also appeal to many. Regional builders serve a genuine purpose, and if you don't agree - look at how many Alexis rigs are in Illinois and Iowa, 4Guys rigs are in their neck of the woods, etc. There is something to be said about being able to call the owner of the company when issues arise and get stuff taken care of now. It isn't always so easy with the big boys, especially if you have a rotten dealer.

    Like everything else in this world, I can find positives with every brand of apparatus. To come on here and dump on one rig or another only because you have a tattoo on your butt of a particular brand, then you're doing a disservice to the folks looking here for information. Yes, everyone has opinion, but I've really kept mine in check on here because regardless of what I personally think about a brand, it isn't fact. There's more than one guy lurking these forums from various builders that also keep their mouths shut through much of this. Fantastic self-control if you ask me.

    Case in point - a neighbor has a bare bones tanker built by Simon out of Iowa (I believe). Rough assembly quality at best, but you know - for a poor, under-funded department that needs to get water on the road (kudos to them for not using a non fire service rig like a used milk truck) is serves a genuine purpose, and the water it delivers puts out fire just as well as the water being dumped from someone else's Pieronenbauer dream rig.

    Sorry for the diatribe, flame if you wish.

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    E-One does offer a 20 year body warranty, it is just not standard. But let me ask you this, why do you need a 20 year body warranty on a aluminum body? Are you seeing any 20 year old trucks built with aluminum extrusions have body problems? Someone please tell me the point of a 20 year body warranty. Thats just like TNT claims their tools have a "lifetime warranty", well what is a lifetime warranty? A lifetime warranty is good for as long as the manufacturer deems the "lifetime" of a tool, which can be as little as a year. So why is a 20 year warranty neccessary?

    Also as for the touch screen to integrate all your doghouse items, if you saw the E-One at FDIC they have come out with a touch screen computer module on the doghouse that can control most if not everything electronic on the truck. It's still new and who knows the possibilties but its a step foward. I will try to keep my opinions in check so this doenst turn into a Manufacturers dual. Thanks!

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    A warranty is to me a statement of a manufacturer's faith in their product. If all aluminum bodies should last 20 years, then why is no one else offering it as standard? "Well Chief, your new Piereonenbauer rig should last 30 years, but we're only going to warranty it for 10. Don't worry, you won't need the warranty, TRUST me."

    Just like aerials. I can't be specific, but a neighbor is using a spec from a particular manufacturer as the basis for their bid process, and the aerial warranty in that spec is only 5 years! RED FLAG MAN!!! You want me to climb your ladder when you don't have faith that it won't give us problems beyond five years! I've got underwear older than that. And these guys are replacing a rig that is older than I am and still passes UL. Galvanized, aluminum, silly putty - if you can't warranty the big long runged device on the top of your rig longer than five years, don't build the things. These guys plan on keeping their new aerial 20 years, but at the rate their going, how much time of that will be in the service bay?

    I personally like aluminum aerials, I'm a big fan of doing something with less weight. I liked our old Grove/LTI as well, but to be honest - since we don't have an aerial any longer, it doesn't much matter what I think about them.

    You like E-One. A whole lot of people love Pierce. I'm thinking we got a sweetheart deal on two General rigs that will be built better than we could possibly need. They all must be doing something right, as they all sell a lot of rigs, even if E-One is struggling right now. Everything in cyclical, perhaps in ten years Oshkosh will be having problems.

    These forums rock. A lot of you guys would be a blast chatting with over some -ahem- libations at the local watering hole. Networking is so vital to the fire service...

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    H&W is a Pacific NW manufacturer that seems to have made low hosebeds into an art form. And no, I am not affiliated with them, or anybody else for that matter. They are VERY popular up here and seem to win just about every bid they go for.

    Here's some pics of some of their rigs. See www.hwev.com for more.










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    I'd like to see nfpa require all electrical connections to the various switches ( cord reels, hose reels, ladder rack, etc.) to be guarenteed (sp?) weatherproof for an x amount of years. Also if you don't have the manpower to be actually using all 9 or 10 discharges then your department should be able to spec what you feel you need. I understand the rated capacities and why they require these things but we never end up using half of them anyway. In my opinion it just complicates the panels and a lot of times get in the way, not to mention the maintenance involved. If we need to be using the rated capacity of the pump the deluge gun will be in operation along with a large handline or two. I realize every dept. is different but thats just the point, if we don't have any realistic need for them then we shouldn't have to have them.

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    I like the idea of a dash camera not just for recording the idjits that travel the road in their mobile phone booths but for video back up of what the ossifer sees when the rig gets onscene.
    It couldn't hurt to have a record of how involved the building was and what the crew did about it,good and bad.I always need to improve myself and think that I am not alone in this.
    Also,if there is trouble at the scene,it'd be nice to have the option of luring them in front of the truck so when it goes to court,you can show how your fire call turned into a "Jerry Springer"episode because someone thought it was an arson fire and discussed it with his neighbors.

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    Just the opinion of a junior member but it'd be nice if we could mix and match equipment from different manufacturers and not lose out on the warranty.
    I know that most builders have similar,if not the exact same options for their rigs but I don't see why a Pierce can't have a low hosebed like a Sutphen,or your favorite option for your gear.
    There are some things proprietary to each maker but I think it'd be a good idea to be able to mount equipment that would fit your department no matter what basic truck you have and who makes the item you need or want to use.

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by npfd801

    In my opinion, the more builders the better.
    Like everything else in this world, I can find positives with every brand of apparatus.

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