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    Default California Wildfire first of many - Will firefighters cope?



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    Default Here we go again

    With they cope?

    Of course they will....


    With or without a IL-76
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    Tell your boy, Jerry T. Williams, to come
    out of his bureaucratic hole right now and
    make an accounting of himself and his
    department - not send women to do his
    bloody job for him.

    The Congressman asked for him.

    Where is he?

    Hiding?

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    Originally posted by budthespud
    Tell your boy, Jerry T. Williams, to come
    out of his bureaucratic hole right now and
    make an accounting of himself and his
    department - not send women to do his
    bloody job for him.

    The Congressman asked for him.

    Where is he?

    Hiding?
    Why not worry about your own legislative body?
    Our firefighters will cope just fine, just as they do every fire season. And for aircraft, Evergreen's 747 should be on line by the end of July, so once again AMERICA will solve our problems as we take care of the rest of the world.
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    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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    Tell me more.

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    Buckle Up, Slow Down, Arrive Alive
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    Is there something there about
    service in '05?

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    Default Not there.. but from other news

    "While administrators at Evergreen International Aviation in Marana are banking on final tests in June to find the so-called Supertanker airworthy, the delay in additional resources couldn't come at a worse time for the state, where some predict a devastating fire season in the high country and areas close to the Valley."


    I will also note, I am not a big fan of the 747 either..... and here is a comment that many have made already as well...

    Air power aside, Davis said wildfires are fought and won on the ground. Tankers and other aircraft are simply a backup device for ground personnel, she said.

    Arizona state Forester Kirk Rowdabaugh believes the jetliner is a single instrument in a large toolbox manned by federal and state wildland firefighters.

    "I can certainly imagine scenarios where having that amount of retardant available to you would be an advantage. In some cases, it would certainly be overkill," he said.

    "I've not yet seen the magic wand out there and I don't expect to live long enough to see that."
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    heh - I read the other day that
    there were a lot of skeptics
    when they introduced the first
    of the big aircraft of the previous
    generation.

    It'll never work, they said.

    It did. You never heard those people
    say those things again.

    I'll bet Don McIvor had people say the
    Martin Mars would never work.

    Don, who just passed away this year,
    won the Order of Canada for getting the
    Mars going.

    You can read a short paragraph on it
    here: http://www.vectorsite.net/avmars.html#m7

    Things were simpler in the 50s, it seems.

    Happens all the time, in many different
    areas. Skeptics. I hear it happens in
    the fire business a lot. That
    observation I got from the guy who
    chaired the World Police and Fire Games.

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    Originally posted by budthespud
    Is there something there about
    service in '05?
    AviationWeek, which I am sure you read since you want to be well versed in this area, reported last week that it is expected to be flying by the end of July.
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    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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    It wouldn't be much of an aircraft
    if it couldn't fly.

    Whether it's effective in the role
    is quite another question.

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